Posted on Sunday, 6/28/2009 - 4:25 p.m. PDT — by JTNDAEASTBAY
Come on..[bleep]...get over it..ur gay...so what....doesnt mean i want to know or care. it is ok for you to be gay...i have no problem with you being gay, it is not ok for my kids to be gay. i said it..so what. you can be as gay as you want, my kids cannot. And I am not tolerant of anyone or anything, i either like them because i know them, or dislike them them becuase i dont.
the mouth piece of the gay community perez hilton even admitted the worst thing you can call anyone is f@g-got
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Here we go again...
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Hi Earthgranny!
I just...love your comment! Ain' it the truth!
Some of these people ain't right in the attic!
Dakotahgeo heh heh heh
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Excuse me, Dakotageo, but I don't believe you know what I meant by my comment, as I was referring to a thread of comments made here a month ago on this same subject. From discussions of local school district issues posters went in several directions, including sexuality. I did not at first intend to reply directly to you, because to tell the truth, I was offended by the way you burst in here with your "Elements of Style" guns blazing and your Remedial English 101 red pen circling other posters' errors in spelling or typing and your huffing and puffing about how great you are even though "How Great Thou Art" refers to the Creator of the flock, not the humble pastor who tends the little lambs and keeps them safe in the fold, and if you wish to criticize this sentence of mine for being too long, by all means do so, as I have waited days before commenting on the first sentence of the second paragraph of your post on Saturday, 7/4/09, 10:06 pm PDT, a sentence which I trust you would like to edit, as Spellcheck may correct some errors, but only you yourself can proofread your post to correct awkward sentence structure and eliminate redundant words and now I believe it is necessary to follow my own often-tendered advice, and that is to not fall in love with my own words, and even though I find myself reluctant to end this sentence which is kind of fun to write, I will stop now.
You say some of the people on this forum may not be "right in the attic" and that may very well be, but the posters on "InsideBayArea" are generally from the Bay Area, where few of the houses have attics, and although they mix it up and squabble and oppose each other's positions, they live here, and therefore are stakeholders; they've got a dog in this fight, a pony in this race, a jumping-frog in this contest. Many are good people; some are idiots, but they're OUR idiots, part of the Bay Area family, and don't need Google to find this forum.
I don't know or care if you are homosexual. I have long been a supporter of marriage equality and of tolerance. I take an issue on its merits, and will criticize a gay person as well as a straight one, because I believe both have the right to be equally wrong, and I find a writer who is pompous and full of himself invites criticism for his presentation, if not for his ideas.
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This.
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Ohhhh!!! Really...well, okay. But I didn't Google this. This came right outof East Bay news.
If you East Bay residents don't want outside comments, keep your East Bay news to yourself! Whether you like it or not, you are part of the outside area, outside state, outside nation! If you do not like 'outside' comments....live accordingly! No one enjoys watching people making fools of themselves! Cut it out!
D!
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Wow!!! Sorry I missed this the first time...I had to re-read the second time.
Not bad, not bad!
Keep practicing! I fail to see your tongue-lashing however. Very generally vague finger-pointing but try again. On its face, this sounds....!
D! ;-)
Joined: Jun 2009
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This could all be so easily avoided if the school district had just communicated it's intentions with the parents of the students in advance. Why is that so difficult for anyone, especially educators that are supposed to be so highly "educated" to understand?
All of the energy, efforts, lying by school employees, attempts to cover-up, and now potentially cost to the school district (which is ultimately the tax payers) could have been easily avoided had the school officials simply given advance notice to all of the students parents that the homosexual pretend minister was going to speak to the students, and provided a summary of "it"s" presentation. The school officials should then have provided an option for the parents to decide if they wanted their students to be a part of that particular presentation or not. The issue at hand really comes down to the school officials desire to bypass any form of consideration or authority of the parent, and that is where this whole controversy arrises. Why is it so difficult for the school officials, administrators, teachers, whomever, to grasp ahold of that idea? Not everyone wants their children exposed to certain types of information. In essence, it's as if the school district purposely picked this fight, because if they had given even a small amount of thought to their decision to have this "person" as a speaker, someone should have taken a moment and raised the idea that "maybe some parents might object to this topic of discussion or presentation, and perhaps we should give them an opportunity to opt out...afterall, they are the parents, and they are the ones (taxpayers) who pay the salaries of the educator."
If parents don't care about what type of garbage is being spoken into their children, then that is their option, but if they do care, and object, then there should be some form of alternative available. The school officials say that these types of events and speakers are supposed to help teach children not to bully or harass people that are "different" but I believe that their simple lack of communication and unwillingness to provide an alternative presentation or activity is really intended to push the controversy, which will only result in a more negative outcome. This is what the student learns. That people who say they want the rest of us to be tolerent, are themselves unwilling to be tolerent.
In my lifetime, I have known and worked with many individuals that were homosexual. Those who earned my respect were the ones who did not try to force their way of living on me. They didn't "demand" that I respect them or accept them or their lifestyle. They did not demand that I "understand" them or why they were the way that they were. On the other hand, those that were demanding of my acceptance or respect whould never ever receive it. Period. And they were almost always "miserable" in their life and they just didn't seem to understand why. And yet, so many of them claim to be so highly educated. Education does not equate to common sense.
I say that if the school officials that approved of this presentation are so sure about their decision to invite the homosexual, the one that thinks in her warped mind that she is a pastor, to speak, then the costs of the legal fees should be paid directly out of their own pockets. In other words, the school officials should put their own personal money where their mouths are!
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That is the most sensible down to eath explination that I have herd regarding this situation. Noboady can argue with that assessment. You took the words right out of my mouth............ of course your going to be labled a homophob or a racist, by those militant groups that want to shove homosexuality down your throat, but I'm sure you can handle that and then some!!! GREAT POST!!
Ron Aguilar
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I am always delighted to see comments from people who don't QUITE know what is going on in the world about them. I will quickly try to address some inaccuracies that I have read in the ensuing posts.
First, one person commented that the minister "who thinks in her warped mind...is a pastor." I have news for you dear Christian sister. That minister is not a pastor because she THINKS she is! That minister holds a MINIMUM of a M. Div. (Masters of Divinity degree) from an accredited Theological Seminary, has passed RIGOROUS tests, conferences, Ministerial Board meetings, interviews, and a Board of Ministry inquiry. THEN, she or he is presented to any number of congregations and they grill him/her before she ever steps into a pulpit to give a sermon (They may invite her to give a sermon, however). THEN, IF they hire her/him...they THEN ORDAIN her (in this case). NOW...she is a minister/Pastor!
onmytrek, you quite simply do not know what the heck you are talking about, and you have made yourself a WIDE target. Educate yourself!
It is because of frivilous lawsuits brought on by dimwitted parents that the school districts are losing money through paying legal fees. What authorities SHOULD do is force these near-sighted parents to teach their own children at home and leave precious teacher time to educating the brightest and best. The only problem with that is that your children would turn out more anti-social than even their parents are.
I do not believe you are quite so kind to your fellow-"homosexual" friends either...not based on what your post sounds like.
YOU have a lot to learn, not only academically, but socially. I wish you the best of luck!
Pastor Dak, M.Div, pre-Doctorate, Pastor/Chaplain (and a 25 year retired public school teacher)! Thank you!
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Excuse me??????????? Dimwitted near sighted parents? I dont think so buddy. Castro Valley High or the schoold district did not inform the parents of their students that there was going to be a "homosexual pastor, revrend, or whatever the hell you want to call her", that they would be speaking in the school. It is NOT the place of the school "district" or the "School" to be teaching political correctness. Whatever sex people prefer and what they do in their own houses is to their own business as far as I'm concerned. When we have gay men dressed in drag like a nun walking into a catholic church in San Francisco to receive their communion and to make a mochary of the church in front of men women and children is an abomination!! When an old lady is pushed to the ground for holding a cross in front of gay militant activist that are pissed off because the people of California VOTED to protect the sanctity of marriage between one man and one woman is bull sh-t!!!! When a gay activist post the address of people who voted against gay marriage in California without naming themselves and hiding behind a computer is bull sh-t!!! When we have the San Francisco school district implimenting stories of sam sex relationships in elementary schools even at the dissaproval and astonishment of the very parents of the children themselves is bull sh-t!!!! When we have Castro Valley high having a lesbian speaker that calls herself a minister or "whatever the hell you want to call her" speaking without the parents consent or knowledge is bull sh-t!!!! And believe me.............. I can go on. You want to be gay, then be gay............. Quit shoving it down everybody elses throat beacuse you lost to the proposition!!! Democracy in action. Get over it!! Everytime I see something like this it infuriates me. How come you dont see this in Montana, Wyoming, Texas, Idaho or Utah and other central states? "They wouldn't put up with it!! Thats why.............. As far as I'm concerned people need to start shoving back!! Doesnt it say something about (Thou shal not be un yoked)??? Remember that?
Have a nice day George.
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I believe the word is (sp) mockery, Ron. And the passage actually reads, "Thou shalt not be YOKED...." Please use spellcheck and proofread your posts before sending them... it makes you sound more intelligent and we take you more seriously. You sound just absolutely enraged, lolol. Take two aspirin, and call whoever cares in the morning.
Seriously, as for pushing back, I am astonished at the progress the the GLBT world has progressed in the last 20 years, much less 40 years. I don't get too bent out of shape any more because of the advances made. Fortunately, there will be push and shove here and there but we WILL wake up one morning and find full legal protection for ALL people, regardless of sexual orientation. DADT will be struck down within a year or less, possibly. The DOMA is now on shaky ground because a majority of its sponsors are gone due to inappropriate behaviors, being the heterosexuals they are... that is such a shame.
Nooo...you can belch smoke and paw the ground but the end result will be something much different than you could ever imagine. It just...takes time. At 65, I'm willing to wait...
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Cheers, my friend!
Pastor Dak!
PS: And as for your unsurpassed knowledge of Biblical passages...I've heard all the blah, blah, blah before. Do some more studying... it can't hurt you! And if you are going to quote the Bible, for heaven's sake, get it right...look it up, check it out...before you write it in cement, or a post! Yikes!!! :-)
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George: Only because today is your 65th. birthday will I go somewhat easy on you in this response. First, you claim to be a minister/pastor. Generally speaking, a person who claims to be a pastor is considered to be a representative of God. Your rants and responses to this local issue are rather surprising. For a gay man, you seem to have a lot of anger and hate in you. And that would all seem contrary to a pastor or a chaplain's role, since, as I'm sure you will claim to know, there are multiple passages of scripture throughout the Bible that exhort you to demonstrate love and to not be quick to anger. Secondly, I am really curious why a man that lives in Raytown, MO seems to be so interested in a controversy taking place in Castro Valley, CA?
You are quick to respond to our postings: afternoon, evening and even in the very early hours of the morning when most people are asleep. So it makes me wonder if you just spend your entire day and night at the computer. If thats the case, then I really feel sorry for you. You need to get a life and get out more. Maybe meet a nice young gay man that you can bore with all of your supposed knowledge.
So here is the bottom line. The news story posted here in the East Bay was about a homosexual woman who identifies herself as a "pastor" that spoke to a group of students at a high school in Castro Valley, CA about her life as a lesbian. The controversy that developed after the fact was the result of the school's officials failure (or refusal) to notify the parents of those students that they were going to be required to sit through that presentation, even if the topic or subject matter might be considered objectionable. The issue at hand is not that the lesbian was speaking, but that the school officials disregarded the possibility that some of the parents might find the topic objectionable and therefore not want their students (who are still children according to the laws of the State of California) to hear the subject matter or be subjected to the topic. According to the laws of this state, parents are responsible for their children. But the school district doesn't seem to agree with those laws pertaining to a parents responsibilities or their rights.
When parents begin to question the education or curriculum that their children are being subjected to, threats are quickly levied against the parents by the schools officials. Yet, if a child is hurt, injured or threatened by another student on campus, the school officials quickly deny any form of liability or responsibility. Teachers are allowed to express their personal opinions in class with regards to everything from politics to non-belief in God. They are allowed to strike and protest if they don't get their way, but a student (or their parents) can not protest against what they are being taught. A student can wear an article of clothing to school with pretty much anything they want, including vulgar language or the image of their presidents face. But if a student wears clothing with an anti-abortion statement or an expression of Christian faith, they are forced to either go home and change or face suspension or even expulsion from the school. Students are allowed to curse or use vulgar language or tell vulgar stories but if a student is caught praying with another student or a teacher, they are immediately suspended or expelled. That even happened in one of our local community colleges, and those students are adults!
So, you can continue to chime in on our local controversies from Raytown, MO and you can continue to live your pathetic, miserable homosexual lifestyle there. As for those of us that are enjoying the weather of the Bay Area, we will continue to fight against such activity in our schools. By the way, in your response to my initial posting, you referred to me as "sister." I am very proud to say that I am a heterosexual MAN. Secondly, you are quick to point out errors to posters like ronaguilar. Let me caution you as to your statement against me personally. When you make a statement such as "you have made yourself a WIDE target" you need to realize that making a statement like that to a law enforcement official can be considered a threat. Choose your words more carefully. By the way, I stated that I have known or worked with homosexuals in the past. I never said that any of them were my "friends." I am very selective of who I associate with, and never would I call any homosexual my "friend." Period. And, I would not knowingly allow one into my home or to associate with my wife. So yes, I am proudly "homophobic.
Finally, I'll say this: 65 years ago, your parents delivered what I'm sure was a great dissapointment. Chew on that!
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Oh my goodness, onmy trek. I want to put your mind at ease immediately. You have not added or detracted from my 65th birthday one bit. In fact, I pass these comments along to other friends and blogs on the internet and, to say the least, they have been wildly amused at your posts.
You DID have me fooled however. When I called you 'sister,' I actually thought, based on your conversation that you were a woman, lolol. My apologies to all the women in the world. As for your castigating my calling you a wide target and the possibility of being in law enforcement... your point is??? Law enforcement usually makes a big enough target of themselves...they need no help from the general public. I also worked for two law enforcement agencies part-time while I was teaching. And again, your point is? Big deal! Many people work for law enforcement who are a lot brighter than I've seen on the internet. If you worked for law enforcement, I'm not surprised that the boys-in-blue have taken such a downward spiral in the last 20-30 years.
The fact that I am from out-of state or out-of-town has nothing to do with 'chiming in' on current events around the nation or the world! If we had been more proactive during the Bush/Cheney Crime Wave of the last 8 years, we wouldn't be sitting in the mess we are in.
I happen to have had the most wonderful parents a child could have. They raised me to be a law-abiding citizen who was educated to know that no one is better than anyone else. They taught me to abhor prejudice and stand up for those who could not speak for themselves. They gave me a fantastic work ethic that supported me all the way to my retirement in two fields.
And as for disappointments.... They gave me something that you will never be able to give YOUR children at any age! My parents adopted ME!!! Your children are STUCK...with you!
So rant on, hollow, empty, silly boy! You will always lose!
Das, the main reason people have to scream in their posts is that their posts carry no water, responsibility, common sense, or cohesiveness. As if loudness makes up for content. This seems to be a general problem throughout the internet. Just ignore them. They and their comments are soon long forgotten!
PASTOR Dak! :-)
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Surprisingly, you've even managed to upset the liberals that post on this site. Well done! But you've made an even bigger mistake by insulting the men and women that serve so faithfully and loyally as law enforcement professionals. Your comment with regards to the "boys in blue" taking "such a downward spiral in the last 20 - 30 years" is not only a slap in the face to all who wear the uniform proudly, but it is proof positve that you are no more of a minister, pastor or chaplain than the man on the moon! You may have the "title" but I know you don't have the spirit or the heart of a man of God.
As for your parents, well, all I can say now is: that makes a lot of sense. Your real parents didn't want you so you were left to be adopted? Oh, I know, since you seem to believe that a person's sexual preference is determined at birth, perhaps your real parents knew somehow that you were going to be gay and put you up for adoption.
Your statement: "so rant on, hollow, empty, silly boy! You will always lose!" just goes to prove how pathetically GAY your really are! That, along with your magenta colored clergy shirt says it all. And, by the way, I certainly do doubt that you ever worked in law enforcement, as your claimed "part-time?" Certainly not as a sworn officer, since no sworn officer is ever on duty just "part-time" unless you were part of some special pansy patrol! I will make certain to forward your comments to the law enforcement agencies in an around Raytown, Mo. Let's see if THEY think your comments about law enforcement personnel are true. See, you seem to forget one very important fact: ALL brothers behind the badge stick together. You insult one of us, you insult all of us. Perhaps you need some time behind bars with a very large man who also likes girlie men! (But then, on the otherhand, you just might enjoy that.)
And by the way, I have personally known many (yes, many) Chaplains in both law enforcement and hospitals, and never once have I met one that was as pathetically lewd and insulting as you. So, now that we all know that your primary purpose of posting on this site is to amuse and entertain your gay friends, we no longer have to consider anything that you write as being remotely serious.
No one on this site ever expects to be the "winner" of anything. It's a site where we exchange comments. I think we all agree that this site is here because we have a right to agree to disagree! You, well, your just a plain garden variety LOSER!
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onmytrek,
Surely you must be able to come up with something better than 'fool'!
I have a profound respect for law enforcement. The smoking guns and loose cannons such as yourself are the ones that bother me. They appear in the paper all the time as persons who are under investigation for something and have been assigned desk duty. I have many great friends on the police forces in this area and they are a honor to their designated cities.
Rather than play the big meanie in blue, try a little self-restraint and look at your own remarks and see if they aren't inflammatory.
You are not worth my time, nor others' time. You have been ignored!
Pastor Dak!
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I've researched you and your rants from other sites, and quite frankly, I'm surprised that you're giving up so soon. You can try to ignore me. You can say that I'm not worth your time. But, for the past few days, you've tried to bully your way around this site like you were somehow more intelligent than the rest of those who had something to post. You invaded our site with a lot of "attitude" and tried so hard to belittle some of the other posters on this site by tring to make them seem like idiots, when all along, you know that your just trying to compensate for your own short comings. Is it like some kind of "high" for you? Do you get some kind of a "rush" from talking about how great you believe you are, while putting others down? Perhaps you think that you are a "legend in your own mind?" You've tried to dazzle us with your credentials and your careers and your Master of Divinity. You've been quick with the insults, trying to impress everyone with your wit. But once again, in the end, we all know that you will soon, if not already have, run out of "clever" insults to toss about. You see, George, you may think that you can dish it out, but then when your finally put in your place, you wither in the end and you prove to all of us that you are what you are, and what you always will be: a pathetic little sissy whimp! (Are those tears starting to well up in your eyes?)
However, since you do seem to think that you are so clever, and you really seem to love putting those insults in writting, I'm making certain to forward some of your rants to someone who would surely enjoy them.
Perhaps "hijo Daniel" will get a real kick out of your pathetic writtings, as well as that hospital where you serve as a "visitation chaplain". Oh, and lets not forget the theological seminary that you claim to have graduated from. And, am I correct, is it the American Baptist that hold your ordination credentials? Or was that made up too. Guess we'll just have to find out if anyone out there that matters would care. Since you seem to think that I'm the "big meanie in blue" perhaps you should consider how hard your really want to push next time. After all, you know how us "smoking guns and loose cannons" can be. And believe me, George, at the moment, I'm exercising a great deal of self-restraint. You know, a little digging can produce some interesting skeletons. Next time, George, you might want to consider playing nice with the kiddies.
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Exactly.......... This guy's wheels are starting to fall off. He isn't anything near a pastor, but a mother f-ing HYPOCRITE!
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If you have noticed, George's responses have gone somewhate silent. He has certainly refused to respond to my last posting to him. When he realized that he had stepped over the line with some of his comments and I wasn't going to back down, his sissy personality kicked in and he did what every gay man will ultimately do when put in their place...he went silent, crawled into a corner in the fetal position and cried. He thinks that clicking on the "ignore" button will just make "the big bad right wing, homophopic conservative" go away. Not so, Georgie! I think he suddenly realized that his desire to be well known has now made him too "well known."
George is basically a full-time posting fanatic. I've been researching him and he is all over the web, with wild postings everywhere. He claims that he is a "Pastor" yet he has no church that he "Pastors." He may well be some type of hospital visitation chaplain, and putting that info out there will certainly come back to haunt him. I know that you have asked several times if he is gay, and the answer is absolutely "yes." He is very open on several of his postings about being a member of the GLBT community and several related organizations. He is not married and he has what he refers to as an "adopted son" whom he refers to as "hijo Daniel." He is an Amtrak fanatic (which probably means he is a collector of things associated with Amtrak, or he just likes riding their trains). His cat is his only companion. He claimed to be formerly associated with law enforcement, but no one seems to have ever heard of him, at least not locally, and certainly not as a sworn officer. That fantasy was easy to disprove since no law enforcement agency in the Southern States would tolerate an open queer on their force. He's moved around a lot (many cities) so he's not really ever established himself for any length of time in any community. He's a pathetic loner, at best, who likes to talk big about himself on the internet, where he can make up anything he wants to about himself to sound important or knowledgable, and he loves to insult people because that is what makes him feel good about himself, when in reality, he is nothing close to how he attempts to describe himself. The keyboard attached to his computer is his only friend, and he tries so hard to create, through his warped imagination, an image of someone that people will admire and fear at the same time. And while he likes to put people down in his postings, he most assuredly would never say the same things to any individual in person, because he knows he'd get a quick lesson in the meaning of street justice.
So basically, George M. Melby is just this little, pathetic loner of a pansy homosexual who was abandoned by a sperm and egg doner that came to their senses upon his birth and put him up for adoption. His adopted parents were overly protective liberal extremist who never let him play with other boys, get his fingers dirty or get involved in sports. He is a social misfit, and when the shoving got a little to hard and he fell on his behind on this site, he realized he needed to go find another sand box with some other girlie boys that were smaller than him so that he could try to regain some form of superiority. He won't respond, because he has been exposed, and even other gay men would laugh at what they see when he's that exposed! The research, by the way, continues.
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Oh my goodness!!! onmytrek, I did not mean to delude you!!! I was out of town for two days
and I am so touched that you would miss me, lolol.
Listen, you can research until you're blue in the face. I have nothing to hide, I have more devoted straight, gay, lesbian, and bi-sexual friends than I know what to do with. I am sorry to disappoint you but I have no criminal record to look for. Geezzz....what have I left out.
As for your 'research'....prod on! :-) I'm madly trying to think of "something" you could hook onto but alas, I cannot think of anything. Employment wise, I am retired, but as any other minister would tell you, we never really retire. As long as my monthly retirement check comes in, I'm happy. All of my hijo children, by the way, know alllll about me and my posts. So I'm sort of not worried about that.
And as for being gay and all your childish names for such, you have proven that there is a very big need for proactive education of students today of all ages regarding the GLBT history and information. That won't be halted in any time soon.
Your drivel above is just that...drivel. And believe me, onmytrek, lolol...you will never win! It's just that you're not worth my time anymore. Something like Failin' Palin! Heheheheheh. Did you hear? She quit!
Yours, Dak! ;-)
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California schools rank near the bottom in student achievment tests. Our kids can't read or write at grade level and now I know why--they are spending their days learning about sexuality and diversity. INHO these are subjects their parent's should be discussing with them. The schools need to worry about teaching academic subjects and leave the moralizing to the parents. Now I understand why my folks worked so hard to send me to private schools.
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Hello, Avis!
If you want a little background on me, please check my post under onmytrek above. I could not agree with you more. You see, as a 25 year veteran of the educationa field, I experienced firsthand the teaching field and what it really is. There was a time when teachers ACTUALLY TAUGHT academic subjects and parents actually raised their own children, and Church leaders actually led their sheep and little lambs in the ways of Biblical truth. UNfortunately, intentionally or unintentionally, the educators, through no fault of their own began to become the students' parents by helping with their homework, being guardians while on field trips because the parents worked (BOTH of them)! More and more, the teachers spent more and more time with the kids.
Because sports programs crowded out church activities on Wednesday nights (remember those??) AND Saturdays, AND Sundays...pastors and Spiritual leaders received less and less time with their young subjects, thus throwing the students directly into the schools' programs full-time! Pretty soon, the students neither saw their parents much for social and family guidance and almost never seen by their church leaders because of programs other than family and Spiritual development. THAT is how teachers became family counselors and pastoral stand-ins for church leaders. Is it any wonder that the schools have taken over these activities and children when the parents, by their own actions, handed their children over on silver platters?? I didn't think so!
THIS should explain why Johnny and Jane can't read, write, think, analyse, add, subtract, etc. for themselves. The teachers today have become the parents...for millions of parentless children, whether the parents are married or not, gay or straight. And they don't have time to teach...but they try their damndest!!!
Pastor Dak!
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As an aside, Avis, I agree completely with you! But don't pigeonhole California alone. There are scores of states that are failing more miserably than California. Best wishes out there. I know you must think the state's problems are insurmountable, but together we can rescue this situation nationwide. Just going to take a LOT of time.
Most sincerely,
Pastor Dak!
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$14,700 for the Pacific Justice Institute's legal fees? Now we see the real motivation behind this manufactured controversy. Christian fundamentalists who home-school their own kids trying to bleed money from the public school system to pad their own pockets.
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I'm actually quite sympathetic to gay people. I am not sympathetic to any relgious organization getting classroom time FOR ANY REASON at a public school.
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Hi erniem!
I don't think this high school presentation was church-sponsored in any way. The presenter was a minister/pastor but that was the extent of it.
Usually if a Pastor has extensive knowledge in another area outside of theology, they are called on to share that expertise. I think that is what happened in this case. Someone knows someone, who knows someone else...that type of situation.
As a religious person and as a former church official, I am definitely opposed to having the church interfering with ANY school function, or sponsoring any school function. That is NOT the function or business of the church! Never was, is, or should be.
If the church did its job,
If the parents did their job,
If the politicians/law enforcement did their job,
THEN...and only THEN...could the schools do THEIR job!
Pastor Dak!
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JTNDAEASTBAY...
Your ignorance is showing, lolol. Did you take any Biology/Botany courses in High School? Did you graduate from High School? Hmmmm.... Whether or not your "kids" are gay or straight has nothing to do with "your" decision, heh heh heh. If your kids are gay (God protect them from you!), they will be gay whether you like it or not. If they are straight, you don't have a thing to say about it!
"And I am not tolerant of..." Re-read your line, JTNDA.... Are you SURE that is what you mean? Also, check your spelling, grammar, and sentence structure...oh my!!!
You need some good basic education on hereditary structures and genes. And while you're at it, add some water to your gene pool...it's getting pretty shallow!
Pastor Dak!
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for a guy who calls himself a pastor, you certainly dont sound like one. I'm sure you'll attack my grammar to on my previous post too. But I'm sure you understand the gist of my post.
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Ron, I have an uncanny knack of being able to see BS a mile away and smell it at ten miles away. I have had arguments with numerous people who even thought they knew the Bible backwards and forwards and yet couldn't even explain who or what the Holy Spirit was. I have been blessed where I didn't need to depend on a church paycheck to make it through life and therefore I made sure God wasn't held hostage to someone else's checkbook either. I despise so-called christians who use God and Jesus Christ as Advertising execs for their particular theological take on things.
My 25 years of teaching helped me tremendously in caring for parents' children who hadn't seen their parents in weeks because they were so busy. So, yes I've seen a lot and heard a lot of things you couldn't possibly imagine.
And this short history doesn't even begin to explore my ten years as a hospital/hospice Chaplain!
As far as grammar, spelling, and the proper usage of the English language is concerned, what one writes for others to see gives a pretty good indication of their background. The imprint you leave is your doing... not anyone else's. Have a good one! D!
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The school should have notified the parents that this lady was coming and should have sought their concent. Leave everything else out of it..........
Do you support same sex marriage George? Are you yourself homosexual. I know its none of my business, but I believe it would illuminate your position a little better. And does it or does it not say something to the effect that two men should not lay down together. And your right, I will go read it myself.
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Ronaguilar, why are you yelling in every one of your posts? Try debating your point by making better arguments, not just louder ones.
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Hi Das,
I stated above in another post that usually those people who shout or yell back their answers do not have a very good command of their subject or their ability to present it in a comprehensive and intelligent manner. Lack of support, common sense, or intelligence are great mitigating factors as to why their comments/replies lack omph!
Worry not! They and their comments are soon long forgotten.
Dak!
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Ya...... I'm pretty pissed off about it and I'm not one to take things sitting down, so that would explain the exclimation points for better or worse. In my last post I asked you a straight forward question without any exclimation points or without "yelling". Are you yourself gay? Now how about it?
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"I have an uncanny knack of being able to see BS a mile away and smell it ten miles away". Then I guess that makes two of us................ Doesn't it george? Problem is, I'm not here to try and BS anybody. I speak from my heart and I mean what I say, and I don't try to be "something I'm not". The more I read your post in here, the more I believe that you yourself are gay and you are exactly what I'm talking about. By all means................. Elaborate.
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As far as this issue goes, many schools have a problem with violence and anger aimed at gay kids. I feel for the kids, it is not a happy thing for them. And I am all for schools making it clear that ANY violent or angry behavior toward gay kids will not be tolerated.
I am not particularly happy about a pastor who is gay making speeches about the gay life at a school. Unless equal opportunity is given to the NRA, Repbulican Party, NAACP, National league of Pit Bull Owners and the Italian American Defamation League.
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Yeh, those NRA kids are always being picked on and beaten up...
Get a clue, moron.
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What is your problem today , Rob? Bottom end of the torus leaking nasty fluid from too much abuse?
I don't have a problem with educating kids about gay lifestyles up to a point.
I have a problem with inviting a religious person on campus to do it. When my kid was going to school she got credit for time off to protest the Iraq war, but you better believe there was no credit for time off to protest in favor of it. ( Personally I think it was and is a tragic mistake, but that is beside the point. Political agendas at schools are a bad idea._)
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Keep your simple mind to yourself. Liberals and queers want to tell us it is biology and they have no choice.
The real intellects of the world will tell you that your incorrect, and homosexuality is a mental disorder, like schizophrenia.
But you go on and believe you have no choice, instead of seeking professional help.
And because my wife was born a woman, my gene pool will continue to grow.
And no i will never be tolerant of uncivilized individuals who did not receive the training or attention at home, thus the basis of their misinformed social standards.
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The "real intellects of the world"? You mean the Christian right? Sure. That's a real intellectual bunch... Did they come to the conclusion that homosexuality is a mental disorder when their snakes told them?
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Ahhhhh!!!
Finally a voice of reason in this blog, lolol. Rob, those of us like-minded people will have a big job ahead of us if we try to educate some of these people. As you read the previous posts above, you will see that they are not a particularly wise group of people, but they do try.
One avenue we havenot discussed is: What are they (the Castro Valley people) going to do to prevent something like this from happening again. It is a pretty certain conclusion that their school-aged teenagers are not going to receive the information needed, at home, to make informed decisions on how to meld in with the general population once they have that opportunity.
This is why school-based education is so important. Let the parents teach their children at home if society threatens them so much. But I am still interested in their take on what they are going to do the next time around. The lecture series is just that... a series! Whether the students learn the information from informed sources, or the internet, or on the street, they WILL learn it.
We are at a point now where the extreme RRR conservatives are very weak and we are finally making headway. There is hope!
I don't know what they base their intellectual prowess on, but I hope the snakes don't suffer too much.
Pastor Dak!
PS: There is a way to edit out the subversives on this site. Just click on the bottom right button to hide the non-essential posts. It works wonders.
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Uhh try making some sense, will you jtndaeastbay... Schizophrenia IS a mental disorder, it has no cure and it destroys people's lives. There is NO cure for schizophrenia, just medication to alleviate sypmtoms. There is not a doctor in the world that can cure it, though most people afflicted with it wish desperately that there was a cure.
Homosexuality is almost certainly a preference. Some people prefer others of the same sex. Who cares? What is the big deal? And no doctor in the world is going to cure people of that preference.
As far as tolerance goes, it seems you learned hatred at your home, not love.
PS Pastordak: Don't for one minute think Rob Thomas is some shining light of reason. If you don't climb on his bandwagon of weird delusional thought he's just another internet snake.
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Thank you, Ernie M! I will take that under consideration but I believe onmytrek, jtnwhatshisname, and ronagufullofair are the winners of the loony tunes of the week.
Anything outside of that is a breath of fresh air!
Pastor Dak!
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What about my last question to you? The more I look at your post, its obvious you have an agenda. Now how about it?
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Dakotahgeo, thanks for the advice. Since RonAguilar clearly lacks any sort of manors or the ability to carry on a civil debate without shouting and name calling, I will now put him on my "ignore" list.