Posted on Wednesday, 6/03/2009 - 8:14 p.m. PDT — by reality616
What bothers me besides the obvious death of Oscar Grant is the sheer impunity of the officers and their clear and apparent lies. The more these officers speak the more I wonder why they aren’t facing charges as well, let alone why they still have their jobs. First we hear them (the officers, and Mesherle specifically) say “I thought he was going for a gun” then we hear “I thought I was going for my taser”. So let me get this straight, you thought he was going for a gun and you decided in all of your training to use a taser? Does this make any sense or is this just double talk, it doesn’t make sense because it’s a lie. Next we hear from Pirone that they didn’t search Oscar Grant or his friends because “the situation didn’t warrant it” yet testimony from other officers as well as himself indicate that this was the most intense situation they have faced in their entire careers, yet you’re not searching anyone, yet another lie. But the kicker is the fact that nothing the officers are saying is corroborated by the video footage in any way shape or form. The officers would have us believe in essence that this is some massive conspiracy of Hollywood proportion. Cop hating witnesses have conspired with their digital recording devices (which must have the intelligence of Terminators’ Sky- net) who in turn conspired with an overzealous district attorney’s office ( that little part maybe true, about the district attorney’s office) in order to create footage which incriminates the officers at every turn. This is a modular cherry picked defense that is highly based on racial stereotypes. The defense is basically playing the “you know how they are” defense, they being young minority men.
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I am wondering where all the slamming of Oscar Grant people are now. Why aren't they slamming this officer that committed murder, why aren't they supporting him and calling him a hero like they were in other posts?
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He is still a hero in my book,
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and your the village idiot of where???
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LOL
Village idiot... not
Thankful citizen... yes
Face it, Grant was a scumbag. He will be easily forgotten. Mehserle on the other hand, will go on in history as a hero to many. Maybe he will get a slap on the wrist, but I assure you, there is plenty of testimony in Mehserles favor.
By peoples account on here, cops lie remember. This applies here as well I assume, unless all of a sudden they shaped up just for this testimony. Hmm, maybe the cop is scared of the angry, violent mob of idiots who want to use Oscar "The Saint" Grant as paragon for the black community.
I would have sympathy for the Grant family except they are filled with greed. Grants life wasn't worth the bullet used to exterminate him. Yes, I did say exterminate. That is what you do to pests.
My only true sympathy goes out to his daughter who will be shamed by his thuggish legacy. In the end, she's probably better off without him.
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Please fill us all in on the school you went to in the elementary to high school years....so we WON'T send our kids there.....
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Oh, you wouldn't want your kids to have a good education? Shame on you.
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My children are getting excellent educations......James 3: 1 says: 1Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.
So, Mehserle too will be judged more harshly becasue of his position, he had to be an example of what is good and righteous because of the badge on his chest and the uniform he wore day and night. This is why it is such an outrage when law enforcement officials get caught up in sex scandals, murder, DUIs and, basically anything that breaks the law. They are under a microscope, they knew this when they took the oath.
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gee, their usual tactic of lying together with the same concocted story of innocense just won't work here.....too many witnes'esand video that's againest them. about time. see, this idiot cop forgot the first rule about being a cop.........you can get away with murder, hust don't let anyone see you......except your fellow cops, then go to the nearest doughnut shop to come up with a good story, about how you were scared, he was resisting, etc.....and stick to it.......ah, i can see that lethal injection now............no, wait a minute, they will give this idiot life in prison....because he's a COP........
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Wait a minute, they will give this idiot life in prison....because he's a COP.......
No, he won't get life in prison because he's a COP.....
Mehserle will most likely get Manslaughter, because he was a COP. A COP WHO GOT CAUGHT DOING WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS, MURDERING INNOCENT BLACK MEN.
Thank God for the technology times of Videos tape recordings.
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Gosh, maybe lack of videos is the reason the public doesn't care about the young black man who got shot/killed by another young black man, at the Hayward BART, last October 2008?
Gee, maybe lack of videos is the reason the public doesn't care about the 3-months-later shooting-in-the-face of one young black man by another, at the very same BART station?
Black-versus-black murders + shootings have been going on daily for years - while Oscar Grant's activist community heaves a collective shrug of chip-laden shoulders.
Sounds like a giant case of Video Deficiency Syndrome!
I wonder if there's any cure for that?
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i agree with you on your comment about blacks killing blacks for years, I know many young men who have participated in such horiffic acts out of revenge of there love one being murderd for nothing, as there is law and some if not most,but surely the government believes in an 'eye for an eye and tooth for tooth', if my younger brother or sister was killed for nothing,i dont care what color you are 'I' will kill you....that and only that will be 'MY' closure,if the government can kill a man and let the vic's family watch for closure,then som feel they dont want to wait on the law,but to kill for nothing,corners,drugs,moneyand etc. thats fruitless,those people dont represent all 'BLACK PEOPLE' They are there own kind. Your people on the other hand ,cause i assume you are a european of some descent or i may be wrong if so, excuse me, have been the ambassadors of murder,rape, pillaging and a host of other horrific acts,you have serial killers,and a host of child molesters and on and on, you can not judge one without judging the other. Now, with that being said' these are mostly kids killing kids,but these serpents you call cops are grown,trained and white men,who are literally putting on a uniform and a badge paid for by the state and tax payers and coming in to our communities to 'HUNT'. Most of these kids as well as myself have grown up with no father and low education and delt a bad hand,what are those serpents excuse, if thats what you want to call it? Let me add that all the murders you here about in oakland, do you beleive that only the young blacks are doing them? of course not ,don't be fooled, the cops are doing a bunch of them..
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First, no, your assumption of my ethnic heritage is wrong. And it only shows how compulsive your racist rhetoric is. The rest of your rant parades your ignorance of European ethnicities who fled here to USA to escape genocide BY other Europeans. Lemme spell it out for you: the ancestors of many caucasians here today weren't anywhere near this continent when slavery was happening in USA. Some were. Some weren't. But your being a racist, you feel entitled to blame them all for it anyway. (While we're at it, neither were all ancestors of all blacks who are now in USA, necessarily on USA soil back then either. But exploring that would complicate your fiction of events. .... Want more history about that? Go read a book. Libraries are free to use.)
Let's talk facts: About 2 weeks before Mixon's rampage, and only about a mile down the road from it, a 32 year old Oakland woman shot/killed a 15 year old nieghbor girl at 1:30am. Do you really think any of your eye-for-eye barbarianism justifies that? You gonna blame whitey for that black teen having parents not give a shiit that she'd been truant for over a year, or, they let her run the mean streets that led her to such cold dead-end? Of course! Could you care any less about scrutinizing that violent black adult who snuffed out such a young life? Of course not.
So gimme a flucking break. From what I've seen, blameshifting racists like you are far more invested in perpetuating excuses to fail than in taking personal responsibility to do what it takes to succeed. .... Yeah, well, good luck with that.
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gourge washington,john adams,thomas jefferson abraham lincoln,cant forget your boy john lynch and do i have to keep going on? Who are so called, great and honorable white men of this great white country AMERICA,had and beat ,murdered,raped their slaves,especially lynch. My bad, jefferson and lincoln were good to their slaves.wow! You forgot that it was a civil war behind slavery and it was not because your boy lincoln was a saint,it was because the south was out producing the north with slaves,your people and i say yours, because you talk like them,were killing each other and i repeat a civil war 'WHITES KILLING WHITES' all to keep their slaves. Yankees vs confederats,white crips and bloods. i can go on and on with this shiit,the lynchin,killin,dog attacks seperate,but not equal,im 19, i know history buddy,and i love to read, especially all the lies your people write about. Bush sent all those youngsters to slaughter, killing in every country he pleases,men, women and children who have nothing to do with politics and guess who has to clean it all up? A BLACK MAN. Go learn your history then come holler at me,from the way you talk,you dont know what you are
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Thanks for proving my point about you!
ps - you can thank Obama's white mother for giving birth to our half-black, half-white president.
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Chris, white racist, intellectual-hating redneck and facist Americans perceive Obama has black. Not half black or half white, but black! And they hate his intelligence not admire him. They hate his accomplishments. And they are egged on by the corporate press in America which they call "free press". This free press has likened the president to a monkey and printed one racist cartoon caricature of Obama after another from the New York Times on down.
Didn't you read what S J Marine wrote about someone sucking Obama's [bleep]? This was never written about Bush from any of the police and law enforcment types. So, whom are we kidding here? An educated black man is despised even more than an uneducated black man on this forum whom the police and the rightwingers can laugh at. Because they cannot laugh nor answer those with arguments. This they are not intellecutally equipped to do. So they have to find other ways of dealing with their sick and twisted hate and resentments.
Yes, right after Obama was elected hate groups and crimes and threats against our new BLACK PRESIDENT surged in America. And now an abortion doctor has been murdered.
God bless our facist countries and protect the truly courageous patriots who put their lives on the line daily protecting women's right to abortions and their own bodies, civil rights and the rights of minorities in this country at the threat of death. It takes more courage to tell and write the truth and to perform an abortion in this country then it does to carry a gun in Oakland.
And God bless President Obama the peacemaker! If he fails in the Middle East, it's because rightwingers and republicans are trying to sabotage himi and his mission every single day in this country. They will not be satisfied until they are in a state of war and until they provoke everyone that they hate throughout the world and in this country and even Oakland into conflict. yes, the hatemongers stew in their hate daily. There is nothing more they wish than a chance to create a riot after Mehserle's trial and the chance to shoot black people and their supporters and to crack and bloody heads. So, they will continue insulting and provoking people through demeaning and disparaging racial remarks when they are not baiting people every day on this site. People who they pretend live in a l960's world who have all the opportunities they once had which no longer exist while schools, and medical care gets shut down and our country loses one half million jobs a month now for maybe more than 6 months. But people insist if you just study in your schools which one by one are shut down and go to work as you stand in the unemployment line and live in shacks and work 7 days a week with no rights like the Mexicans illegals you will become rich in America. But guess what? They people claiming this never did any of this. They are shameless liars with no morality or conscience.
Half black and half white my derriere! No such thing in America. If your skin is black, you are treated as black.
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"Didn't you read what S J Marine wrote about someone sucking Obama's [bleep]?"
I don't have an issue with the man, I have an issue with his leghumping worshippers.
FOOLS.
And BTW, he's no more black than I am Mexican, which means we're both half white.
Irrefutable fact.
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SJ, when people worshipped and defended Bush I bet you never called them "leghumpers". Bet you just called them defenders of the president. Same goes for Obama. Supporting Obama doesn't mean agreement in every area.
O bama is up against tremendous difficulties, more great than you probably will ever understand. I don't say this to personally insult you, but because I realize you are no student of either politics nor history. Just think about which presidents and leaders have been assasiinnated in this supposedly democratic country?
Also, the press in this country is already gunning for Obama and so are the Republicans and the organized hate Rush Limbaugh crowd. And the Nazis and the Klan.
And so what if you are half Mexican and half white? Hispanics are considered Caucasian. Just look at the census and any form that asks for race and ethnicity. I saw one report recently that listed "hispanic caucasians" and white or European caucasians. This is another attempt at obfuscation of the truth.
mexicans were not brought here and enslaved and segregated in this country nor instituitonally discrriminated against to the degree of blacks. In fact, Mexicans took lesssons from the black civil rights movements in this country.
But don't kid yourself. whether you're a mestizo or not, last week I read something like l4 different law enforcement agencies particicpated in a raid against 27 Mexicans in Trinity County picking mushrooms. They didn't know there is a vehement anti-Mexican anti-foreign Republican movement in this county. FOURTEEN LAW ENFORCMEENT AGENCIES.
And while this was going on, 3 children got bitten by a pit bull on my street and the sherriff refused to come out and do anything. But I saw him sitting looking for speeders in an area where there is zero traffic afterwards just to put in an appearance because people were royally steamed and up in arms.
Please tell me the threat that 27 mush-room picking Mexicans posed that was greater than a ravaging pit bull attacking children? None. Because lawenforcment isn't about safety. It's about ideology. Right wing ideology.
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SJ, when people worshipped and defended Bush I bet you never called them "leghumpers".
Um, I call those idiots right wing nut job neocons.
"O bama is up against tremendous difficulties, more great than you probably will ever understand."
He made his own bed. He made promises he had no hope of keeping to get elected, and then reversed himself like he planned to all along. Some of us knew that's exactly what he would do. I don't think any less of him for it, he did what he had to do to get elected. That's politics.
I don't disapprove of the President personally. Professionally he's my CIC and I will honor my oath the same way I did under Bush and Clinton, regardless of which policies he chooses.
I'm just not impressed yet.
"I don't say this to personally insult you, but because I realize you are no student of either politics nor history."
You'd be surprised. Don't worry though, because I understand that you believe that anyone educated must come to the conclusions you have, which is absolutely ridiculous, but I forgive your ignorance.
"Also, the press in this country is already gunning for Obama and so are the Republicans and the organized hate Rush Limbaugh crowd. And the Nazis and the Klan."
Also, the press in this country is already gunning for Obama and so are the Republicans and the organized hate Rush Limbaugh crowd. And the Nazis and the Klan."
Your statements reek of the same "You're either with us or against us" rhetoric we received from Bush. Check yourself.
"This is another attempt at obfuscation of the truth."
This is not a competition to establish which race has been oppressed more. But it would be difficult to argue that blacks born after the early sixties have had it worse than Hispanics have it RIGHT NOW. The fact is, his mother was white and advertising the man as anything other than what he is is disingenuous.
"Because lawenforcment isn't about safety. It's about ideology. Right wing ideology."
Whatever.
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"He made promises he had no hope of keeping to get elected, and then reversed himself like he planned to all along."
Give me one example of a promise that Obama has broken.
"Check yourself."
LOL. Should he check himself before he wrecks himself? SJ, if you're going to try to sound all hip and gangsta, you should at least draw from pop culture a little more recent than 15 years ago.
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"Give me one example of a promise that Obama has broken."
Just one? That's all you want?
My pleasure.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=prnw.20090515.DC17891&show_article=1
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Amnesty International is misquoting him. Obama never "promised" to do anything. He said he would do what he could. He's ordered the base closed, and is trying to get it closed without undermining military officials. Gitmo's history. So, you're still yet to come up with one "promise" Obama has broken. And, you're not going to, because he hasn't broken one yet. You're just saying that he's broken promises because that's what the right wing heads are saying. (hence, Breitbart.com as a source. lol)
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Don't play word games.
Moderates and Independants are the majority. WE elect Presidents, not liberals or conservatives. Try to keep that in mind.
Obama in Bush clothing
Charles Krauthammer
May 25, 2009
"We were able to hold it off with George Bush. The idea that we might find ourselves fighting with the Obama administration over these powers is really stunning."
-- Unnamed and dismayed human rights advocate, on legalizing indefinite detention of alleged terrorists, New York Times, May 21
WASHINGTON -- If hypocrisy is the homage that vice pays to virtue, then the flip-flops on previously denounced anti-terror measures are the homage that Barack Obama pays to George Bush. Within 125 days, Obama has adopted with only minor modifications huge swaths of the entire, allegedly lawless Bush program.
The latest flip-flop is the restoration of military tribunals. During the 2008 campaign, Obama denounced them repeatedly, calling them an "enormous failure." Obama suspended them upon his swearing in. Now they're back.
Of course, Obama will never admit in word what he's doing in deed. As in his rhetorically brilliant recent national-security speech claiming to have undone Bush's moral travesties, the military commissions flip-flop is accompanied by the usual Obama three-step: (a) excoriate the Bush policy, (b) ostentatiously unveil cosmetic changes, (c) adopt the Bush policy.
Cosmetic changes such as Obama's declaration that "we will give detainees greater latitude in selecting their own counsel." Laughable. High-toned liberal law firms are climbing over each other for the frisson of representing these miscreants in court.
What about disallowing evidence received under coercive interrogation? Hardly new, notes former prosecutor Andrew McCarthy. Under the existing rules, military judges have that authority, and exercised it under the Bush administration to dismiss charges against Al Qaeda operative Mohammed al-Qahtani on precisely those grounds.
On Guantanamo, it's Obama's fellow Democrats who have suddenly discovered the wisdom of Bush's choice. In open rebellion against Obama's pledge to shut it down, the Senate voted 90 to 6 to reject appropriating a single penny until the president explains where he intends to put the inmates. Sen. James Webb, the de facto Democratic authority on national defense, wants the closing to be put on hold. And Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said no Gitmo inmates on American soil -- not even in American jails.
That doesn't leave a lot of places. The home countries won't take them. Europe is recalcitrant. St. Helena needs refurbishing. Elba didn't work out too well the first time. And Devil's Island is now a tourist destination. Gitmo is starting to look good again.
Observers of all political stripes are stunned by how much of the Bush national security agenda is being adopted by this new Democratic government. Victor Davis Hanson (National Review) offers a partial list: "The Patriot Act, wiretaps, e-mail intercepts, military tribunals, Predator drone attacks, Iraq (i.e. slowing the withdrawal), Afghanistan (i.e. the surge) -- and now Guantanamo."
Jack Goldsmith (The New Republic) adds: rendition -- turning over terrorists seized abroad to foreign countries; state secrets -- claiming them in court to quash legal proceedings on rendition and other erstwhile barbarisms; and the denial of habeas corpus -- to detainees in Afghanistan's Bagram prison, indistinguishable logically and morally from Guantanamo.
What does it all mean? Democratic hypocrisy and demagoguery? Sure, but in Washington, opportunism and cynicism are hardly news.
There is something much larger at play -- an undeniable, irresistible national interest that, in the end, beyond the cheap politics, asserts itself.
The urgencies and necessities of the actual post-Sept. 11, 2001, world, as opposed to the fanciful world of the opposition politician, present a rather narrow range of acceptable alternatives.
Among them: reviving the tradition of military tribunals, used historically by George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Winfield Scott, Abraham Lincoln, Arthur MacArthur and Franklin Roosevelt. And inventing Guantanamo -- accessible, secure, offshore and nicely symbolic (the tradition of island exile for those outside the pale of civilization is a venerable one) -- a quite brilliant choice for the placement of terrorists, some of whom, the Bush administration immediately understood, would have to be detained without trial in a war that could be endless.
The genius of democracy is that the rotation of power forces the opposition to come to its senses when it takes over. When the new guys, brought to power by popular will, then adopt the policies of the old guys, a national consensus is forged and a new legitimacy established.
That's happening before our eyes. The Bush policies in the war on terror won't have to await vindication by historians. Obama is doing it day by day. His denials mean nothing. Look at his deeds.
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SJ, you're right about Obama continuing the Bush adminstration policies of torture even if right wing columnist Krathhammer says so. But so do a lot of left-wing columnist. in fact, this is one of the biggest beefs of the left wing of the democratic activistis with Obama.
I disagree with their focusing on this. For me, his biggest portrayal is in bailing out the stockholders of banks to the tune of $2 possibly $l2 trillion rather than in creating even a $200 billion public works program.
And no, you don't understand politics for lack of education, but because you are too young to have lived through the one of the most intense periods of political activism in this country which openend up the doors THROUGH STRUGGLE SWEAT AND SACRIFICE, which you now glibly walk through and take for granted. This period politicized millions in this country.
You younger generation X and Y have no concept of political struggle on a collective and mass basis. It is a concept that has been lost from the experience and collective knowledge of the present generation. Your parents have failed you in only telling you that your own personal work and money will make the world run. That you only have to concentrate on your own individual family.
this is not to say people don't have to work hard. But only collective political work now can overcome the burning and pressing problems of our state and country. Not individual hard work. We need solutions for the millions of unemployed who cannot work hard because they are now unemployed, underemployed and have lost education and health care.
NOt everyone can go into the military nor is this a viable or realistic solution for rebuilding America's infrastructure right here at home and providing educational and healthcare for all.
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"Moderates and Independants are the majority. WE elect Presidents,"
Well, the ones who voted for Obama did. Then again, there were a lot of independents and moderates who voted for McCain, and they certainly do not elect presidents now, do they? They pick losers.
And, the op ed you pasted still does not demonstrate Obama breaking any promise. He's broken no promise. You can dig and dig through all of the op eds in cyberspace, and all you're going to find are op eds where conservatives are cherry picking bits and pieces of his comments looking for hypocrisies, without quoting the entire comment, or hard left liberals who are simply overstating his campaign speeches.
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after he got into doing being presiden he came up with reasons to delay bringing troops back from iraq until later than what he said before he'd do. i think he said now its 2010 or 2011.
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Arroyo, the troops won't be coming home. It's a bipartisan occupation that voted that Iraqi oil profits have to be given to foreign multiniational corporations by our american congress. That means a decade of occupation in Iraq. Never mind that the US if one of the world's biggest oil producers and that we could have a fifth of americans unemployed while spending trillions more in Iraq.
The question is what are the unemployed Americans going to do about this bi-partisan project?
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I still don't see where he's broken a promise. I think you, SJ, and the right wing heads you guys are getting your information from need to reexamine the definition of a promise. A promise is when someone specifically guarantees one particular thing. Kind of like when Bush the elder promised "No new taxes". THAT was in fact a promise. Obama has made no such proclamation. He's only pointed out what's wrong, and said that as president he would do something about it. He has not guaranteed any particular thing. So the point in and of itself that Obama has made any "promise" to begin with is b.s. He never promised anything. He only said that he would do what he could to change the things that are wrong. Thus far, he is. He's up against a political machine. Just because Bush is gone doesn't mean all of his people in the military and law enforcement are.
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Obama was running for office and giving speeches, many times he said he'd get USA combat troops out of iraq by 2009. he said it! what your doing is making it into a game like "simon says." that if Obama didnt say the words "i promise" then it's not a promise. even thou he siad the rest of it. what a stupid word game your playing! your just trying to save face because your a liar!
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He said he would do what he could to get troops out by '09, he didn't say he would get them out. He said it was a goal. If you want to criticize him for not meeting a goal, fire away. But he broke no promise, or guarantee, or whatever word you want to pull out of the thesaurus with the same meaning. Yet, for some reason the right continues to accuse him of breaking promises, when he's never made a promise. So, as usual, it's Obama's critics, like you, who are doing all the lying. And look at you guys, having to hawk him to the left to point out his so called broken promises. That's got to hurt. LOL.
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"I think you, SJ, and the right wing heads you guys are getting your information from need to reexamine the definition of a promise."
I don't recall seeing too many Right wingers bashing Bush when he was in office, and I don't see too many liberals doing it to Obama.
The fact that I read the Tribune proves that I at least read what the liberals have to say. Why shouldn't I read what the conservatives have to say? Without both sources, I can't form an opinion without being biast, can I?
The media reports whats in their best interest. When you sit in the middle, it's not unreasonable to read both sides of the issue. If you only pay attention to one and completely ignore the other, it is you who is ignorant.
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Is this a pathetic attempt to explain to me why you're lying about Obama?
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Um, I think folks can decide for themselves.
Leghumper.
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Leghumper...lol. What a coincidence. That's what I call your wife.
Oh, I'm joking, SJ Marine. I call her blow job betty.
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I'm sorry, I think you have me confused with someone who takes you seriously.
lol
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Uhm, yeh, anyhow, go to your wife and say Rob says goodnight, "Betty". Take note of the guilty look on her face.
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What if I'm married to you're mother?
What does that make you?
lol
You can have her again for five bucks a pop.
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Dude, you're just like a kid. Trying to one up people with mother jokes. Grow up. I was just having a little fun with you yesterday but now you're waking up this morning with the Rocky theme song in your head, destined to win a put down battle. Pathetic. Go to Iraq or Afghanistan and make yourself useful, SJ Marine. Oh, that's right. Since Obama's your CiC now, you're being an awol little p ussy.
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"Grow up."
lol...you started it. What's the matter Bobby? Did I upset you by proving your messiah is a mortal man who outsmarted all you blind liberal retards that thought he was actually going to reverse everything the Republicans did? ? lol...You're a funny guy.
Have a nice tantrum, little boy.
"Pathetic. Go to Iraq or Afghanistan and make yourself useful, SJ Marine."
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.
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SJ, you take these little cyber wars way too seriously. Kind of unbecoming for a soldier, but to each his own. I'm not going to respond to you until you simmer down and actually discuss a topic again.
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Didn't I already tell you I don't take you seriously? lol
Simmer down? Do I sound angry?
LMFAO
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i know mexicans personlly that would chop your head off calling them half white..your a sell out mexicans are warriors not cowards like white boys
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You are one dumb SOB. Racist to the bone. Totally confused. Brainwashed by rap music.
I hope you get shot in the balls so you cant reproduce any more stains.
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"You are one dumb SOB. Racist to the bone. Totally confused. Brainwashed by rap music."
I only wish people were brainwashed enough by political rap to take on views of the establishment that a paranoid white person like you would view as "reverse racism". As it stands, America is brainwashed by disco rap, watered down rock and country, and pornographic pop music.
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LOL
This forum is hilarious.
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i am racist, your right,but it takes one to know one and about the balls, when i stop tea bagging your mother and sister in the mouth, then maybe you can have your wife 'shoot' my balls in her mouth. SISSY. I know you like balls too,but i dont swing em that way
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"but i dont swing em that way"
You make it sound like they havn't even dropped yet.
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"i know mexicans personlly that would chop your head off calling them half white."
Ooooooh.......SCARY.....
They're not the [bleep]ing Taliban son.
And I'm perfectly capable of dispatching any punks who might be stupid enough to try, but thank you for your concern.
"your a sell out"
I'm an AMERICAN. I don't give a [bleep] what color you are, who you pray to, or where you hatched. If your moronic enough to belive any of that crap makes you special, then you deserve to stay right where you are and never achieve anything else.
"mexicans are warriors not cowards like white boys"
None of you are warriors. Most of you idiots can't even shoot straight. I am perfectly content watching you kill each other.
Have a nice day gorilla.
BTW, I think you meant "Guerrilla" not "gorilla" moron.
You really want to be thought of as a smelly hairy primate that throws its feces through the bars at the zoo?
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except for, no I didn't happen to see SJ Marine's post you describe here. All I'll say about that is, from your description of it, it's hardly unique among much of the repulsive garbage that I have seen commonly gets posted in these forums. (And that it's no worse than the many insults printed that accused white female Hillary Clinton of having a [bleep], either.)
PS, you wrote:
"...white racist, intellectual-hating redneck and facist Americans perceive Obama has black."
One flip-side of that is that many (of all races), racist or not, perceive Obama as black, too. For many among them, his being "black" is the only reason he got their votes, in the first place.
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" For many among them, his being black is the only reason he got their votes, in the first place."
Uh, political science maven, if they only voted for Obama because he's black, why didn't they vote for Cynthia McKinney or Alan Keys, two black people that were both on the ballot last November?
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because evidently you're thoroughly clueless how many people have never heard of Cynthia McKinney or Alan Keys.
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Then by your own admission Obama had to have gotten their votes by running an effective campaign, because anybody who was merely seeking to vote for a black president would know that Cynthia McKinney or Alan Keys were black. I'm not saying there weren't people out there who voted for Obama for dumb reasons, but your theory that black peope only voted for him because he's black is just ridiculous. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton would have fared far better in their past presidential campaigns if black people just flocked in droves to support their own running for president. And remember, black people as a whole are often accused by white racists of taking marching orders from Jessie and Al. You're just in denial of the fact that Obama was a far better candidate than anyone your party could put out.
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You're putting words in my mouth I never said. You don't even know which party I'm a member of, yet you assume - wrongly at that.
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Are you one of the growing number of Republicans that likes to call themselves Libertarians or independents because you're too embarrassed to admit you're a Republican anymore? If so, I don't blame you.
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nope, I'm a life-long democrat with leanings towards green party & an independent point of view. That becomes a tricky prospect, as we saw in 2000 when adding Nadar to the mix robbed Gore of votes that could've helped defeat Bushwacked.
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because evidently you're thoroughly clueless how many people have never heard of Cynthia McKinney or Alan Keys. Those Green Party candidates (like McKinney) can't catch a break, hm? CA's Green Party candidate Camejo had lost too, remember? Can't play race card there tho, sorry. Can't play race card for Nadar - the white guy who lost too. Hm. As for Keys, well, wow, you stumped me! I never claimed to be an expert on politics - least of all in states I never lived in like his (NY). But wild guess here: maybe something to do with his actual record as a politician? Or not pals with the right leverage? I dunno. Gosh, why don't you enlighten us with your answer to your questions?
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You're the one who said that many peope voted for Obama because he's black, which is absurd, btw. And, you're yet to enlighten us with any backup points to convince us of that claim. And, trust me, from your comments I've read so far, I would never accuse you of being an expert on politics.
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And if you lived in or hung around largely-black Oakland, you'd know what I said is absolutely true.
You called me a "maven" of politics. It means an "expert." So, despite your denial here, yeah you did SO call me an expert. Sarcastically of course. Your point is clear. So what? If you resent my publicly expressing my opinions on this public opnion board, sheeesh, the solution is clear: add me to your Ignore List. Voila! Problem solved.
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No, you hanging around blacks in Oakland doesn't prove a thing, because you still can't prove that they voted for him merely because he was black. Again, if anyone was voting for president solely to vote for the black candidate, surely they'd be aware of every black candidate on the ballot. Again, we're talking about peope who would only vote for a black candidate, and who only voted because there was a black candidate on the ballot. There were 3. Cynthia McKinny's platform is actually far closer to the politics of most poor people living in Oakkland, of any race. If anyone only had a goal last November of raising their black fist in the air and voting black, they had 3 options, with McKinney representing most of their views. So, your b.s. just isn't adding up. I guess there are some green leaning Dems that are idiots when it comes to race and politics, too. You're proof of it.
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Take your brilliant insights (as if) to the marketing incompetents who ran the losers's race. The rest of your pugilistic ignorance is a pure bore.
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You can prove the sky is blue, actually. Just point to it. I can see it, you can see it. It's blue. But you can not prove that people voted for Obama only because he's black. That came right out of your imagination.
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Apparently you never got the memo that most voters aren't yet ready for any woman to be president or vp. Not McKinny. Not Hilary Clinton. Not Ferraro. Not Palin. Nuh uh, none of 'em. No dick? No deal. End of story!
But halfwits like you never need a reason to play the race card. Just another chance to.
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Oh, America wasn't ready for a woman to be president, but they were ready for a black man with an Arab name, less than a decade after Arab terrorists pulled off the largest attack on US soil in history? You get dumber with each comment. Just quit.
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Unlike you, oh gosh, just maybe some of them recognized Obama as smart, very-well-spoken, senator instead of just what his name spoken sounds like. And that, in 2008, any major-party man still trumps any woman, especially one like Clinton who some men feel emasculated by..... much less one that hardly anyone ever even heard of from a minor party like McKinny's Green Party. And how could you forget the enormity of the widespread ANYONE EXCEPT McCAIN-PALIN sentiment? You get dumber with each comment. Why are embarrassing yourself this way? Could it be you want my attention because you're flirting with me? Don't waste your time. And please, don't waste more of mine.
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"Unlike you, oh gosh, just maybe some of them recognized Obama as smart, very-well-spoken, senator instead of just what his name spoken sounds like."
Exactly. And maybe the same people thought that Hillary Clinton was too corrupted and that Sarah Palin was too stupid, instead of just dismissing them for their gender.
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Rob, a large number of democrats recognized early on that Obama was being pushed by the corporate sector of america in the corporate press at least 2 years before the election. His name and picture were suddenly being splashed on the front pages of American newspapers and magazines around the country. This was no coincidence.
Obama, through his brilliant fundraising machine and helping and support of the Democratic National Committee which is not a grassroots democratic organization and through grooming by folks like Pelosi, raised the most campaign monies of any presidential candidate ever to run.
In essence, Obama was sold to the American people in a way that Jessie Jackson never was nor ever will be. He didnt need to be sold to the black community because he was already perceived as being black although some of the black left questioned his nontraditional upbringing. In fact, his experience bears little relationship to the average American black.
No, he was forced to dissociate himself from both Rev. Wright, and other progressives on the left as well in order to make himself marketable and palatable.
And Obama was intelligent enough to do what he needed to do to be elected.
And what SJ Marine and others don't understand is that an American president is constrained by both the corporate powers who elect him and those in the Pentagon which is a highly political organization. Both of these entities can bring down an American president.
Nobody becomes nor stays president by being their own person. Gov. Schwarzennegger has had to kowtow to the corporate community who bought and paid for him by not raising corporate taxes nor closing corporate loopholes or those for the wealthy. So, instead he cuts programs for working people.
And to a large extent, Obama has to do the same thing. Until we have public financing of campaigns. but have you heard Obama push for this? No, Pelosi wouldn't let him nor Rahm Emmanuel who made billions as a Congressmen representing the banking sector.
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Firefox, well said, but the only point of his I was refuting was that a significant number of black people voted for Obama solely because he was black. So, if Obama were a Republican and promising to continue the Bush legacy, black people would have voted for him?
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the other guy never said "all" black voters everywhere like the way your trying to make it sound like he did. your just starting [bleep]. besides he is 100% right. in Oakland many blacks definitely supported for Obama only because he is black. they were waiting there whole life to se a black man become preisdent. your an idiot if you think they would ever pass up the chance to make it happen. take your head out of your surburban [bleep] and get some fresh air some time.
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Hear me loud and clear on this, WE AFRICAN AMERICANS DID NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK. If we did that, then in 1984, Jesse Jackson would've been president. Or, in 2004 Al Sharpton would've won.
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Since when do you speak for all African American voters? YOU DON'T!!!!!!!!!!!! But your pretending to is as silly as every other post here making blanket statements about "all" or "every" black voter. Babbling idiots! And obviously you don't know the first thing on the industry of making a politician something that voters will want to vote for. But at least the poster "firefox" does.
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The bottom line is Obama will be an agent for change but only if there is a mass movement rallying and supporting him in the streets and pressuring congressional legislators.
Rep. Lynn Woolsley wrote an editorial in the Press Democrat when Obama was elected about him being a progressive. But now it is up to the rest of the progressive and the people of this country to organize independent political movements for change.
Arguing about what Obama said and what he is is a luxury few can afford. Especially with California going down. People need to focus more in on the issues.
I agree with you. All these pissing and baiting contests are useless and futile. Rather than bringing people together who share common concerns people are needlessly being divided. It's a lot of good energy gone to waste that instead should be used to telephone and write letters to our state and congressional legislators and type petitions and get our neighbors and co-workers to send them as well as our churchmembers to stop the cuts against the seniors, state parks, and to bring home the troops and use the monies for jobs to rebuild America here at home.
I'm guilty myself of being nonproductive but I think most of us are on the same page. the question is what can we do about it to stop the true madness named Arnold and right wing hate machine like Limbaugh and Newt gingrich.
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aroyyo,
He said "many" of them voted for Obama because he was black, meaning a significant number. Why would he even bring it up if he wasn't trying to make a point that black "reverse racists" are what helped put Obama into the white house? It was a dumb point, and you look stupid for defending it.
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It is definitely true that I voted for Obama mostly for that reason. And so did many of my friends. White boy, you need to SHUT THE [bleep] UP and quit pretending you know who or what you're talking about. While you're at it, quit twisting other posters words into something they didn't say just so you have something to [bleep] about.
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Just because you're a moron doesn't mean most black people are. Why should I take your opinion of black people any more seriously than I would take that of Alan Keys or Clarence Thomas? I know a lot of black people, and don't know one single person that voted for Obama solely because he was black. Twist that.
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Like I said, you keep on twisting other people's words so you can act high and mighty against them. I guess that's all your tiny retarded peabrain can do. You keep showing your too dumb to even know what the word "many" means. Again and again you confuse "many" for "most" or "all." What's wrong? Is "many" too complicated of a political analysis for you to grasp? LOL! Everyone who actually can read (unlike you) can see for themself "most" and "all" started from you. So keep it up, moron. Keep making a jackass of yourself! (No disrespect intended to donkeys.)
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I don't need to act high and mighty when you put yourself so far below me with your stupidity. You're doing all the work to make me look better than you.
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You think your endless pissing contests make you "look better" than the ones you pick fights with? LOL!!! Funniest joke of the week! Keep tilting at your windmills, white boy! Make sure you don't get your keyboard wet from your urinary problems!
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IF YOU OR THE WORLD DID NOT KNOW OBAMA HAD A WHITE MOTHER, WHAT WOULD YOU CALL HIM? HAHAHAHAHAH YOUR A JOKE IM INTITLED TO SAY SOME DUMB SHIIT EVERY NOW AND THEN IM 19, HOW OLD ARE YOU? YOU MUST BE 10. WHAT EVER OR WHOEVER HAS BLACK IN HIM/HER IS CONSIDERD BLACK,BLACK HAS BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE DOMINATE GENE.. BARAK HUSIEN OBAMA, SOUNDS BLACK TO ME AND WHAT IS THAT SISTERS NAME, YOU KNOW THE FIRST LADY? OH YEA! MICHELLE OBAMA,THAT WHITE BLOOD IN HIM DONT EVEN COUNT NO MORE,ONCE HIS DAUGHTERS GROW UP AND MARRY BLACK MEN AND HAVE CHILDREN,THE WHITE BLOOD WILL BE OBSOLETE..YOU DUMB [bleep] WHITE BOY
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if you did, explain why you did. please give as many details as you can. it will be interesting to read. thank you.
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Then you hit me with the stats,lol. Do you really wanna go stats and who killed who and where they did it at? why do you think the whole world hates america? Because of stats, you poor lost boy. The founders of this country or should ,i say the ones who came and murdeerd the natives,because dumb [bleep] colombus thought he landed in the indies and named the natives indians,Thats a another whole damn story which i find crazy in itself, were indeed white men who were abandoned by ther loving great brittans,Your a historian, im sure you know all this huh? these were all white boys,lazy white boys who did not want to do there own work,so they purchased and stole slaves. We built this country and now the mexican are renovating it for slave wages,then your people want to call mexicans aliens when actually you murderd them and took california and texas. im out
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Whatever you were smoking seems to have made you very sleepy indeed.
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You can best believe that the young black males as myself have gained much disrepect and contempt for these serpents, they call cops.There have been talkes through out the so called ghetto and tust me when i tell you,we aint talkin about killin each other no more. We know these streets better than anyone and we see how are brothers in other countries have taken a stand against the opressor,if we are dying already, it may as well be for somthing...We are heavily armed and will not tollerate no more direspect,killing and false inprisonment by these snakes,if they can be aquitted and given their jobs back only to do more killing ,while we are given 25,50,100 years and life sentences,then court must be held in the streets...if mehserle is your hero,then i dont have to tell you what "LOVELL MIXON" IS TO US YOUNGSTERS...The time is at hand like never before. IF A MAN ISN'T READY TO DIE FOR SOMTHING,THEN HE ISN'T FIT TO LIVE FOR ANYTHING...ALLAHU AKBAR..Only god is great,not man and i am a natural born Guerrilla in every since of the word.The match is lit,it has been thrown and the fire is started.
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Good thing your "Guerilla" [bleep] will be in prison soon enough.
Lovelle Mixon was a rapist and a murderer.
Maybe you are too.
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I really didn't want to get into this discussion, but when anyone disparages my hero, I cannot be silent. Abraham Lincoln doesn't need to be defended by me, the voluminous record speaks to how revered this man is by generations of Americans and people all over the world. More books have been published in this country about Abraham Lincoln than about any other subject, period. No one, no one, could possibly read them all, so no one can pretend to know everything about him, but most people with a modicum of education know that Lincoln never owned slaves. His father, a Southerner by culture, may have not been opposed to slavery, but he was too poor to possess any. While a young boy working with his father, Lincoln was appalled by the treatment of slaves he observed on the river, and as he matured his philosophy deepened and culminated in a desire for abolition, allbeit in stages dictated by politics. In the public atmosphere of the time, a sudden, sweeping emancipation would have backfired and delayed acceptance for decades. Lincoln's wife was from a slaveholding family in the south, and gradually deferred to him in this matter.
Had he lived, reconstruction might have been a success; who knows how different the USA would be today? This I am sure of, if only my opinion, that Lincoln became a Republican in reaction to corruption with Democrats; he was originally a Whig. The legacies of both parties were maintained through the mid-twentieth century, when the Southern Democrats left enmass in protest of civil rights. Pop history has distorted the facts of icons of the Republican Party. Teddy Roosevelt was a conservationist, not a conservative. He was a muckraker and a trustbuster and epitomized fin de sicle. You may notice they rarely say it outloud, but many Republicans revere Nixon almost as much as Reagan.
Were Abraham Lincoln alive today, he would vote for Democrats. The GOP is not the same party it once was, it has filled the niche of 1800's Democrats. The Democrats have championed worker's rights, ERA, diplomacy, social justice, and hopefully, in the very near future will embrace the Green Party.
Excuse me now, I think I'll curl up with a Carl Sandberg book.
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Very well articulated and informative......
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"Why should the people of your race be colonized, and where? Why should they leave this country? This is, perhaps, the first question for proper consideration. You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word, we suffer on each side. If this be admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated. It is better for both, therefore, to be separated."
— Spoken at the White House to a group of black community leaders, August 14th, 1862, from COLLECTED WORKS OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN, Vol 5, page 371
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This statement of Lincoln's was given within the milieu of 19th century political thought. It was a time of enormous societal upheaval, when people were being shocked with new moralities that ran counter to all they had ever known. Slaves were beginning to see hope that their condition might improve, northerners were debating the economics and the social implications of emancipation, the south was kicking and screaming in resistance to being forced to change their cultural structure. Even the Great Man himself was struggling with his personal demons, learning what those "better angels" of his soul demanded of him. In newspapers around the country, and from pulpits throughout, in taverns and front rooms, the topic was of grave concern to every citizen. It was the Civil War that solidified the character of America, caught in the evolution of its ethics and vaues. Even the most ardent abolitionist had not yet come to accept integration, but knew slavery was evil and had to be eradicated in order to save the nation's collective soul. In the black newspapers there was much discussion of repatriation and a movement to that effect became prominent in the news. Against that backdrop Lincoln met in the White House with the black leaders, who were very impatient with the lack of expediency shown by the president. Frederick Douglas was especially critical of Lincoln, but it was evident that for the first time, a man occupied the Oval Office who could possibly make emancipation happen. In the popular sentiment, he was either loved or hated. Many whites distrusted him, and many blacks called him Father Lincoln. When he met with his visitors, the discussion had already developed among them. It doesn't clarify our perception of history to take a few words out of context.
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yea,yea, yea. is that was his-story told you.
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gorilla. wow. It's so deeply, truly, breathtakingly comical and ironic that you've chosen as your moniker a name that means "primate hostility". His-story. Come back when you can tell us the definition of primary source as it relates to history. You probably think "tricknology" is a real word as well. The grownups are having a conversation kid. Go to your room and do your homework.
Earthgranny, right on. You and SJ Marine have meaningful posts to read.
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Hey Rob, seems you're getting it from both sides. How does it feel to have your white a s s handed to you by someone you revere, because they are cooler than white folks? You are such a joke!