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Posted on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 20:08 — by The Trouble I See
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MORE POLICE IS NOT THE ANSWER, WE ARE DEALING WITH PEOPLE TRYING TO SURVIVE!!!!! IN SURVIVAL MODE THERE IS NO LIMITS TO WHAT A PERSON WILL DO(FOR EXAMPLE TRADING PLACES)!!!! REALISTICLY SPEAKING WE HAVE TO OFFER ANOTHER WAY FOR THEM TO SURVIVE, YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT UNTIL WE UNDERSTAND THAT NO GROUND WILL BE GAINED!!!! A CAT IN THE CORNER IS GOING TO COME OUT NO MATTER HOW LARGE THE ADVERSARY WE ARE DEALING WITH THE SAME DIFFERENCE!!!!
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Wed, 05/07/2008 - 20:15 — Spoken like a true criminal
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Spoken like a true criminal or enabler of criminality.
Thu, 05/08/2008 - 06:24 — Spoken like a true criminal
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WHY,WHY,WHHHHHHYYYYY? FRICK OR FRAT TAKE IT LIKE YOU WANT TO BUT IT IS THE TRUTH! AND UNTIL PEOPLE SUCH AS YOURSELF START SEEING THINGS AS THEY ARE AND NOT HOW YOU WANT THEM TO BE, WE CANT BEGAIN TO FIX ANYTHING! THE SAME WAY YOU FEEL IS THE SAME WAY THE PEOPLE THAT CAN FIX IT FEEL(THE MAYOR AND HIS OFFICIALS EXCEPT MRS.BROOKS)! IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE PROFESSOR AND IF YOU ARE 40 OR 50+ YEARS OLD YOU DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER DIFFERENT STREETS, DIFFERENT FEELINGS FUELING THESE VESSELS AND MANTALITIES,IF YOU WENT TO SCHOOL LONG ENOUGH TO GET A COLLEGE DEGREE YOU CANT HELP JUST BEING HONEST YOU FELL OUT OF TOUCH! GOTTI NOR CAPONE WOULD BEABLE TO EXPLAIN THE STREETS NOW A DAYS. DARE YOUR WAY OF THINKING IS LIKE BEING IN THE WILD WITH NO WEAPONS TRYING TO DO AN ORAL EXAIME ON A GROWN LION AND SURVIVE! WE ARE DEALING WITH THE FEARLESS!
Thu, 05/08/2008 - 03:49 — More police aren't the answer
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You've got that part right. But it's not so much that desperation is driving the crime rate. It's a lack of ethics and morals in the youth culture that's the main culprit. Don't take me as some religious nut, it's not about praying to an imaginary figure to heal our sinful souls. Ethics and morals can be taught in a secular manner, read Benjamin Franklins autobiography for an example. Our societies problems stem from the fact that not enough emphasis is placed on ethics and morals throughout K-12 school systems (teachers are too busy teaching to assesment tests); so kids learn these lessons from the media companies(movies, video games, tv, music, etc.) who take no responsibility for the part they play in shaping the overall culture and in particular the way kids think. Violence, greed, and ruthlessness are continually glorified in pop culture (i.e. Media created culture) thus teaching the mentality that "the 'I' is all that matters, screw everyone else, and don't be afraid to hurt them if they get in your way" to young people who don't know any better. Yes Parents need to play an important part too, constantly talking about right and wrong with thier kids from the time they understand speech to the time they move out when they get older. However the problem is affecting society as a whole and so society needs to repsond as a whole. Only by recieving a constant stream of positive teaching-I would propose by adding ethics and morality as subjects taught throughout a school career like math, english or history-can the negative influences be overcome.
Thu, 05/08/2008 - 19:03 — Thank You!
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Finally someone who is willing to tell it like it is. What you said is sensible and speaks to the very root of the problem with crime in Oakland. You will find, sadly, that the originator of this discussion will not weigh in on what you said. If he does, it will certainly not be in any sort of intelligible way. In Troubles mind the blame lies with everyone, but those who own it. It is not just the person who commits the crime, but the parents and the community surrounding that criminal, who own some of the responsibility. Parents dressing their two year olds like rap stars and overly sexualized women can not expect to produce decent citizens who will seek to improve Oakland. The same is true of parents who allow their children to watch adult content (violence, sex, etc.) TV and movies or listen to explicit lyrics in music. These same parents curse like sailors in front of their children and refer to one another in the most derogatory of terms. I want the work to start in the home before I spend my tax dollars trying to undo the damage done in the first five years by these unfit parents. Personally, I am afraid that the cake is out of the oven long before these kids get to school, but for the sake of society I hope I am wrong and I would support your suggestion. Trouble, what do you think of Compton's post?
Thu, 05/08/2008 - 19:37 — You guys have hit it on the head yes I said it
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But(lol) this is part of a plan. For that reason I resist so much and often. If you listen to TOO SHORT'S song THE GHETTO he will reference the same things we are going through right now today and that record is well over 15 years old nothing has changed and I see something wrong with that. The music has changed because the struggle has changed if you want a street encyclopedia go grab all of RBL POSSE albums. For some reason Oakland seems to be some kind of training station for politicians! Everything that you guys just mentioned in which is not there is for a reason. The monsters that we are dealing with have been created! It is not by chance or fluke but a strategic plan wow, I know some will say here he goes but its the truth and it hurts! The city of Oakland has not figured it out yet why? San Francisco has way more projects than Oakland why not the same number of homicides or around not even close. Because S.F aims to help its communities and its not about more money its about where the money goes for example the guy that got killed at his daughter's basketball game was from the streets(lord bless his soul) and he wasn't pressured to observe and report like Oakland and its outreach workers exploit the community you live in and watch your back.
Thu, 05/08/2008 - 22:04 — Chief put on Defensive over crime
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Dear TROUBLE I SEE, are you crazy? You claim the guy in SF wasn't required to check in who got murdered? Yeah, BUT HE GOT MURDERED! So where's the virtue in that??????? These kids are damaged beyond help. Nobody can help them. All we can do is make sure we don't enable more parents to breed for welfare tickets. But we are not the only sick country in the world--in other countries young girls are stolen, kidnapped or sold off into sexual slavery. I agree with you on one point. Jif and others need to stop their constant moralizing and start addressing the issues at the point of policymaking. Proclaiming what the parents should or should not do won't stop the dynamic. I'm tired of reading all the handwringers, you and Jif included. YOu are just coming from different ends of the political spectrum but the end result is the same-just handwringing.
Thu, 05/08/2008 - 22:57 — I'll give you that one.
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So Pundit, I have to say you win. You are correct, what is the point of making any comments on this site where half-wits and buffoons rule? I would try to make a change by addressing the Oakland City Council, but I fear the same half-wits and buffoons populate those seats as well. I suppose the best I can do is defend my own home from the riff raff and call it a day. Alas, why hope that the breeders in Oakland will ever own up to their responsibilities and make decisions that will benefit the whole while benefiting themselves? It is just this defeatist attitude that has many of Oakland's citizens arming themselves and saying, "Go ahead, make my day!"
Fri, 05/09/2008 - 19:08 — I'll give you that one
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Jif, I'm not here to win. And the breeders are never going to become more responsible--not when they keep getting rewarded with one program after another which enables their irreponsibility. As long as Oakland policy members, councilmembers and the liberal public that supports them, believe that welfare and poor people's children need mentoring and that the parents are a lost cause, the parents will never be responsible. The liberals have crippled these parents--with SSI, mentors, etc. etc. The parents don't have any responsibilities so they continue their irresponsible lifestyles albeit with less monies and more crime. The breeders won't change because they've been corrupted by handouts and feel they will be wards of the society as long as they live. Dellums has reinforced this thinking. Only different social policies can change things. I agree with our friend who writes in CAPS that a whole lot more can be done but this is a city that is really not interested in forcing people to change. What this city is interested in is awarding contracts to nonprofits. Bemoaning the fact won't change things. Also, I'm not sure our government even has the kinds of power necessary to force people into the kinds of changes they need to make. I know stringent drub rehab programs accompanied by supervised work situations can do it. ActsFull Gospel did it. REhabilitating people is possible when you have both a federal and state government with the necessary programs. Also, I support giving ex-felons public works jobs--it's not a question of rewarding them. It's giving them a second chance when they are stigmatized. Better people work and be productive, self sustaining members of society and consumers than languish in prison at our expense? Either way, we PAY.
Fri, 05/09/2008 - 07:09 — Do you know the nature of his murder (I thought so)
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We handwring on this sight hoping someone will take notice! These people can be helped the people who can help wont! Because they all think like you and have never been up against anything!(O)ak(P)un(D)it I know people that has fought tooth and nail with both cities. Oakland really could care less! And yes Terray is dead but the city still don't have over one hundred homicides CAN YOU SEE THE VIRTUE IN THAT IT MUST HAVE WORKED SOME WHAT! Our problems in Oakland would have been on the road to repairing if these book smart people would stop trying to THINK ghetto! They are so smart they are stupid! THAT IS WHY I ADMIRE S.F. THEY CAME TO THE HOOD AND BEGAN THE HEALING FROM WITH-IN NOT ON NO I WANT TO BE SUPER COP SO COMPERMISE YOUR LIVING AREA BY TELLING ME WHATS GOING ON IN THE HOOD(LIKE OAKLAND AND ITS FAKE OUTREACH PROGRAM IN WHICH THEY DID'NT GET ANY APPS BACK)! ALL THESE BOOK SMART PANZY'S IS SCARED OF THE HOOD SO THE DECISIONS THEY MAKE ARE FROM COWARDS STAND POINT!!! COWARDS AND OLD PEOPLE MAKING GANGSTA DECISIONS WE END UP WTH ONE HUNDRED PLUS HOMICIDES CONSISTANTLY AND THEY STILL WONT LISTEN CAN YOU SEE THE VIRTUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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