Posted on Monday, 5/18/2009 - 6:11 a.m. PDT — by jif
"Chanting things like "We are all Oscar Grant..." I most assuredly am NOT Oscar Grant! I have never committed murder, sold drugs, run from the police with a loaded gun in hand, produced children out of wedlock for whom I did not provide or fought on a BART train causing the police to be called to stop me. I do not doubt that the people at the protest ARE Oscar Grant and have done some of those same things, if not worse.
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Some of us are Oscar Grant and that doesn't mean that we have done exactly what he has done. What it does mean is that I am mortal just like he, I have unjustly been killed just like he. Anyone of us could be unjustly shot in the back by a crooked officer and for the record, not all officers are crooked. In fact most of them choose to become an officer because they want to serve and protect. You shouldn't be so quick to judge someone. There is such a thing as second chances and he had his whole life ahead of him. It's obvious by your comment that you have a long way to go and you don't know it! You actually think “you have arrived”. How dare you speak on my niece or any child born out of wedlock, like they are garbage?? Children are beautiful and they are innocent beings. I thank God; Oscar was used to create my wonderful niece. She would not be here with out Oscar. Oscar has always supported and been there for his daughter! So don't talk about him or her like you know something! If people like you would be quick to help and teach instead of judge and criticize then maybe there would be less drug dealings and gun possession. FYI Oscar never committed murder that was Johannes Mesherle. BTW I am OSCAR GRANT and I have never committed a crime and am a very honorable Christian woman and mother. I pray that God humbles you!! One day you will be judged the same way you judge others.
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Umm, just because someone sold drugs once, and/or made a child out of wedlock does not give cops the right to kill you.
Please try to remember what country this is.
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I definitely don't think Oscar deserved to die, even if he committed crimes. HOWEVER...the same people who are saying Oscar was killed by a crooked cop are all making the same assumptions!! You are assuming that the officer has a history of abuse of power. You are all assuming that ALL cops are abusive to the black community. You can't make an arguement for one side and completely ignore the other side. Oscar's death was a tragedy, something to learn from.
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I sure am NOT assuming all cops are crooked!! Did you read what i said??
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...he still feels traumatized, and now stressing. I just read this article on KTVU website w/ much more coverage, and I have to say I considered what the next witness(a man) stated to the media. Matter of fact, I'm surprise more law suits to pay for therapy, etc, hasn't risen considering there were alot of kids on those trains & I would be furious as heck if it were one of my children. Like they say, bad things disturb good ppl, but witnessing a cold-blooded unjust act like that by someone in uniform will get into a person's head and f(uk) some ppl up. Year after year we try to raise our kids not to follow the rest, be decent human-beings and not to harbor hate than some idiot like Johannes Mehserle comes along & blows it all to hell in a matter of seconds. It makes the job harder for other cops & put more stress on responsible parents. AS for Oscar's mom, I can see the prelim at least took some of the stress off her, praise God. A forensic pathologist testified that he could not have survived, considering BP took 4ever & a day to call for help. Also, Vargas's testimony shed some type of light. I would be like, "F(uk) the law-suit! First make me understand why did you KILL my baby??!" Although I personally feel his "dumbfounded" expression was only in response to the other officer's expression of, "Man, w t f did you do that for!!!!" Not the expression of an accident, considering the huge difference between firing a heavy LOCKED gun from firing a lite-weight taser AND the position he took when standing over Oscar.
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apparently YOU didn't read what I said. I SAID the SAME people who are saying the cops are crooked.....did YOU say that?? No you didn't. I did say "Lita says all cops are crooked."? Mayby you should read first!
What I'm saying is what I'm hearing in my neighborhood. I live on the SAME street the 4 OPD cops were MURDERED by a MURDERER and all I hear is how those cops deserved it and they paraised Mixon for doing it and said ALL COPS ARE CROOKED. I was there for their little march on MacArthur and was disgusted by the acts of those people. They even claimed that the killing of the officers was JUSTICE for Oscar. Totally SICK!!!
I was mearly commenting on the idea that one means all in this society. Those people who think all cops are crooked because of the acts of a few then must believe that all black people are criminals because, well look at the headlines in Oakland. How many black people comit crimes in Oakland?
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Are you really related to Oscar or are you just saying you are to cash in on the $25 million lawsuit his family is filing?
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ONE WORD FOR (FREE WILLY)
STUPID.
OH AND LETS NOT FORGET ABOUT TUNNEL
VISION MIND (JIF)
BOTH OF THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS ARE IDIOT FREAKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is not a joke to me. Do you take pleasure in hurting people? and you have the audacity to judge me? Take a look at your own heart.
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Jif: Lita really didn't say all cops are crooked, she said "Anyone of us could be unjustly shot in the back by a crooked officer and for the record, not all officers are crooked. In fact most of them choose to become an officer because they want to serve and protect." Lita, Jif didn't talk about children born out of wedlock as if they were garbage, she said "produced children out of wedlock for whom (he) did not provide."
Jif, Lita refutes your point from first hand knowledge, so the ball's in your court there (you may want to choose to let it lie). She definately has a good point about who killed whom, though the question of whether it was murder is what is being decided by the courts. No way Oscar Grant should have been killed like this. At worst it's murder, at best it's a tragic mistake. At best.
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oaktownjack, did I say he deserved to die? I think I merely offered a list of things that Oscar Grant has been convicted of, suspected of (Ask Hayward PD about the murder thing!) or known to have done. I am not interested in some long discourse with lita and definitely not Ann the hater with God on her side. Frankly, I was simply pointing out that I am NOT, nor will I ever be, any of those things which Oscar Grant was. It is fine if Lita wants to believe that Oscar took care of his daughter. I will not believe until I see that he paid the hospital bills for her birth and that Momma and baby never received a dime of public assistance.
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Jif: No, you did not say Oscar Grant deserved to die. I did not say you said Oscar Grant did not deserve to die. I said Oscar Grant did not deserve to die, not like that. When you say you are "NOT, nor will (you) ever be, any of those things which Oscar Grant was" I think know what you mean, but I can easily prove how wrong you are: Oscar Grant was once alive, as you are, and now he is dead, as you will be. You and he share more than you know, as do we all.
You know, there are real people in this story, flesh and blood people who are more real than us, hiding behind our anonymous avatars. They have parents and children and hopes and dreams and pasts and have made mistakes they will never be given an opportunity to take back. But to us they are just pawns and sacrificial lambs, cardboard targets and stalking horses to be used to justify whatever point of view seems to fit our needs.
And if it suits our needs to argue about whether Oscar Grant's daughter's medical care was subsidized by taxpayers, or that new mother and baby got nourishment or housing from us taxpayers, then that's what we'll argue about to justify or pillory the man who put a bullet in his back. If it suits our needs to villify Mehserle as the face and personification of racist evil, responsible for 400 years of slavery and cruelty, then that's what we'll do to justify or pillory the man who was killed by a bullet to the back.
They have already ceased to be people that we could actually talk to, to relate to, to feel empathy and compassion for. They belong to us now, to the 24 hour new cycle, to the hungry wolves who lie in the shadows, they belong to the ages. What a world, what a world.
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Like I said Oscar never committed Murder! Yes he was far from perfect. We don’t deny it. I know for a fact that he took care of my niece. You don't have to believe it that is your choice. I don't care to convince you. What’s wrong with public assistance if you don't abuse it, but obtain it to help get on your feet and make a future? I don’t have to explain to you but I will just to show that your stereo typing can be wrong. Both my sister and Oscar held jobs at very young ages. How much do you expect a youngster to earn? If it wasn't for public assistance I wouldn't be currently attending college. People like you think that you know “it” all and are “better” because you have a different background and have had life easier than others, but in fact one day you will see that the last will be first and the first will be LAST!!! Why don’t you stop talking and offering harsh judgment and go into the dark places and take your “it” and “better” to make a difference and encourage where there is no hope or light??? Why do you sit on the side lines and slander? Offer no help or compassion?? You are no better a person than Oscar or anyone else who has a rap sheet as long as your arm, even if you believe you are. It’s very sad! We ALL have sinned and fallen short. I pray that you would encounter a life changing experience that would change your outlook and that you would turn your judgment into mercy, offer your roots as knowledge to help those who are without the essentials, and that your eyes would be opened, that the eyes of your heart can see what really lives there. You can have the last word on this one. I have said all that I know to say. No hard feelings. Take care.
Lita
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HA HA HA!!
I don't know why but your comments cracked me up!! Thanks for the clarifications
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I would call Jif racist, but he's obviously got waaaaay bigger issues in life.
Yeah, hate me for attacking him, but he started this thread by attacking an innocent man, one who was murdered in cold blood and can't defend himself. Hope he got paid to come in here and spew his hatred, cuz otherwise he's getting ripped off. Nothing more pathetic than a wannabe cop (see Dwight Shrute).
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Snooorrrre!
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"an innocent man, one who was murdered in cold blood"
Grant was an idiot who did everything in his power to get himself in trouble with cops, and was accidentally shot by an another idiot who drew the wrong weapon.
They're both victims of their own stupidity.
Anything can happen when two morons collide.
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Is this Tony Pirone??
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Nope.
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you have the same demeanor as he.
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lol
You must be psychic to make that connection with so little to go on.
Unless you don't know what you're talking about, which is quite likely.
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No Jif is someone with a small P E _ _ S, so he hides behind this boards with his negative comments to make himself feel BIG............................................
HE'S /SHE IS A COWARD.
JIF MAY ALSO BE A SHE WHO WISHES SHE HAD P E _ _ S
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That's not very lady-like.
lol
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HA HA HA!! I know. I couldn't help myself! I read your comment and then your name. The thought jumped into my head and I giggled. LOL
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HE would be alive today.
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There, there... you will all feel better after BART writes you a check for $50 million. Just imagine how Oscar would feel knowing how much good he has done.
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Police have to recognize that they exist to serve the citizens, not rule them. The shot fired by this cop sent a horrible message. Hope the jury and judge send a message to this cop equally as poweful. If this cop were more concerned about serving his citizenry, that gun would have never gone off. This suspect was on his stomach, for crying out loud. People in the gun culture will be the first to tell you that there is no such thing as an accidental shooting. Only responsible, sane, and good willed people should ever hold a gun. This cop was not god willed. He sought control and power, and that's what led to his jumpy trigger finger. Again, had he been concerned with his duty as a civil servant, he would have been more careful. I can assure you that if Oscar Grant were a rich kid or the kid of a politician, and this cop knew it, he would have been more careful. Again, a message must be sent by the jury and judge that counters the awful message this officers's shot sent to the community. I'm confident it will.
In response to the comments regarding the character of the victim, I don't see where you guys make an effective case that Grant's past problems justify a police officer firing a gun without reason, and killing someone. If your argument is to state that Grant should have been in jail already for his past crimes, then your solution should be to contact your representatives and demand they push for stiffer prison sentences. Regarding the BART shooting, your points are irrelevant. Every citizen has rights, even those who've committed crimes. If you don't like the idea of that that, you'll have to move to another country because it's only been written in the supreme law of the land since this country's inception.
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The witness statements to date are no surprise since the opinions of the two lady videographers had already appeared in print. I'm waiting to hear from the witnesses to the brawl on BART that set that night's events in motion. They've signed affidavits, and ABC reported that there is a witness who will testify that he and Oscar Grant fought on the train that night.
As to Oscar Grant's criminal record, it speaks for itself. He had been adjudicated a dozen times and had spent more than half of his daughter's life in prison. I'm not sure how he could have "always taken care of" his child while he was unavailable because of his incarceration for various offenses. If he been arrested on New Year's Eve, as he should have been instead of being shot, he would have seen his 13th appearance before a judge in approximately four years. That's a sad commentary for someone who was "turning his life around."
I am not Oscar Grant, and I do not know or assocate with anyone with his criminal history. His death was a terrible accident brought about, in part, by his own misconduct. It should never have happened, but he definitely contributed to the circumstances which caused his death.
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Thank you for your articulate and well-reasoned post. I believe that every community wants a hero, even if the best they can do is substitute infamy for honor.
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Thanks, Pups, for the kind words.
I think you're right about people needing heroes, but why would anyone choose Oscar Grant? At best, he was a troubled and combative young man who couldn't seem to straighten himself out in spite of having an attractive girlfriend and a young child to raise. Drugs damage everyone who comes in contact with them.
There are many "quiet heroes" in the Bay Area's African-American community, and those are the men who should be celebrated. I'm talking about husbands and fathers like my 85 year-old Oakland neighbor who was orphaned at 16, sent to war at 18, and came home to raise a family here. He's never been in trouble with the law, always held down a job, kept a nice home and even took in foster children in past years. His face will never be on a banner iin front of City Hall. No one will rally to celebrate his name, but men like him deserve the attention; not the Oscar Grants of this world.
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Oscar Grant was scum. He contributed to his own death. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Simple as that.
As far as I can tell Mehserle did the world a favor.
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> MAN, W T F ARE U TAKING ABOUT
???! OSCAR NEVER HAD NO DAHM SWORD IN HIS HAND & HIS CRIMINAL HISTORY WASN'T EVEN THAT SERIOUS. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT THE TYPE OF FRIENDS HE WAS HANGING W/ & WE CAN ALL SEE HE WASN'T ROLLING HARD LIKE 1/4 THE YOUNG ADULTS HIS AGE. SECONDLY, LEARN HOW TO DISCERN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG. SAYING OSCAR'S MURDER WAS A JUSTIFIED HOMICIDE IS EQIVALENT TO AN ADOLESCENT RUNNING AWAY FROM HOME GETTING RAPED OR COMES UP MISSING THAN A BUNCH OF IDIOTS COMES ONLINE & SAYS THAT WHAT SHE GETS AS IF THEY KNOW THE GIRL PERSONALLY. I READ CRAP LIKE THAT ALL THE TIME FROM LONELY, MISERABLE FOLKS WHO HIDE BEHIND THEIR MONITOR FLAPPING THEIR MOUTHS ABOUT EVERYTHING UNDER THE GAWD DAHM SUN AND AIN'T SAYING A M/F THING. LASTLY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE U GET OFF SAYING MEHSERLE DID THE WORLD A FAVOR, YOU CAN'T EVEN CO-SIGN FOR ONE CITY MUCH LESS THE WORLD. DAHM NEAR ALL OF OAKLAND & MAJORITY OF THE BAY AREA WANTS TO PUT HANDS ON MEHSERLE RIGHT NOW...AND IF HE GOES TO PRISON, HE IS IN T-R-O-U-B-L-E. SO RIGHT ABOUT NOW, I DON'T THINK HE GIVES A FLYING RATS BEHIND ABOUT YOUR OPINION OR THE WORLDS. HE AINT FEELING YOU PAL, BELIEVE THAT IF U BELIEVE ANYTHING
> QUOTE YOU: Oscar Grant was scum. He contributed to his own death. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Simple as that.
As far as I can tell Mehserle did the world a favor.
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of Oakland education, trained in Moronics, who hasn't progressed beyond, "SEE SPOT RUN."
Grant was a post boy for Oakland's scum. 12 convictions in 4 years, knocks up some ho so she and his bastard spawn can leech off the rest of us, starting brawls on BART, the list goes on. In a couple of years he'd have for sure killed somebody, probably while drunk or drugged out in a gang war. Mehserle did indeed do the world a favor.
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Now you know it just ain't right to bring any of that up when there's a white cop we can hang up by the balls, right?
SHHHHHHH!!!!!
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That is the essence of our cultural divide: you think a man's criminal behavior is really okay. Tolerance is your enemy, masquerading as a friend.
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It's the majority of white people who are tolerating criminal behavior in this country on a massive scale, that much greater than the Grant's of this world. But keeping looking at the trees and the not the forest.
Black people know and understand this well. It's the white folks who are blinded by racism and see only crimes committed by blacks but not far larger crimes committed by white people--especially those in government.
It's all relative as they say. But some have blinders on and cannot see that. The hard cold truths are that those who are treated unfairly by a society that does not play by the rules are not going to play by the rules themselves. And never have the rules been so skirted in my lifetime as they are now by those in power. At no time before has there been such tremendous double standards and disparities in who gets prosecuted and who does. This has led to a general disregard for life and for people in general now.
The sad truth is the general disregard for law, for fellow citizens, and for society, is breaking down at all levels of society amongst all groups. We see massive crime committed at all levels by all kinds of individuals. But yet you just want to single out those in a certain class at the bottom of society while you ignore the wholesale corruption of those in the middle and the top.
And it is the wholesale corruption that is allowing violence to go unchecked by defunding the social structure of our society while putting billions and trillions into the pockets of private investors in the banking and investment sectors. It's the greatest robbery that has ever occurred in American history which is resulting now in more crimes, homicides, suicides, family breakups and horrendous crimes of every order as the general economic crisis hits.
It's interesting now in my area how there are huge numbers of vacancies in apartment buildings as people are losing their jobs and livelihoods and homes and can no longer be able to even afford rents.
A friend of mine just told me last night her apartment manager promised the tenants $l50 for any new tenant they could bring in!!
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Nothing in my post mentioned race. I said 'culture'. That was a lot of wasted text in response. Try again and try to stay on topic.
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YOu don't create the topics nor decide what people are allowed to say. So you can shove it up yours all the way and as far as it goes little wannabe Emperor.
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"while you ignore the wholesale corruption of those in the middle and the top." WRONG! Most of us are just as incensed by these bastards as we are of common street criminals. But there are substantial differences that you're too simple to grasp. To wit, that crimes against PEOPLE have always been considered much more greivous than crimes against property, and rightly so. "He who steals my purse steals trash," but he who steals my life or body steals my humanity, ME. Difficult concept for you?
So go on living in a shythole you're so happy to have made or at least so happy to tolerate. You've made your bed, lie in it.
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You are a liar and so are the rest of your brethen. Because you never complain against those who are causing wholesale and widespread societal problems. You just focus in on black people and the left nonstop every day. It's you who is too simple to grasp cause and effect and too full of hate and tunnel vision.
Whom do you think exactly you're fooling with all your pretenses? You don't care about people. You're just worried about your llittle self. And you always end up revealing your total lack of caring about people by ending up wishing harm for people.
People have got your number and your l,000 usernames on this site. Because your basic hate and line comes out of every single user name that you invent. You could not hide nor cloak your hate, resentment, bitterness and frustration if you had a million usernames.
The only one you're fooling here lame a s s is yourself. But keep playing your little games. It's really interesting to watch you cloak yourself in virtue in one breadth, and in hatred in the very next. Talk about bonafide schizophrenics! You're one twisted individual!
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"It's the majority of white people who are tolerating criminal behavior in this country on a massive scale, that much greater than the Grant's of this world."
But still, we are out to persecute the black man?
Surely they are in prison for being innocent.