Posted on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 22:37 — by eggbert
Way to go OPD! Keep up the good work, taking dirt bags off the street and saving the cost and time of a lengthly trial.
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Joined: Sep 2007
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Report bluepeas
yep their not playing w/ these high speeds since they been bustin so many w/ guns. last nite on my way to seminary thru the back streets a empty raggedy lil gray car was blocking the way & an empty cop car right next to it. my nosy butt sqeezed thru on the sidewalk & part road & got thru then seen cop cars blocking 'all" the back streets up 57th ave w/ lites flashing. then my nephew called n said they wont let him go in the house or walk on his street. i then drove down e 14 to go around & seen they had the rainbow community center sowed up to as well & up sem. we found out it was a high speed & opd was looking for someone hiding. then here comes a ambulance & firetruck to e16th n sem & i was like oh gawd now what?! all the way till 7 am I heard sirens & now I read this article w/ vernon in it. his brother was my son's best friend in school when the were little. i knew he was gonna grow up to be bad, real bad (update; i jus heard there was 15 opd cars chasing them not 3) my gawd so many cops jus for a few kids when they could be handling crime elsewhere
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Report erniem
Did you see 15 cop cars or just report a rumor? If they chose not to run there would have been no problem. Don't blame the police for someone else's illegal activity.
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Report bluepeas
eminem,
I heard it from 2 witnesses & it's not unusual or surprising b/c kids at a party counted 11 crusiers chasing c.j. he was suppose to jump out at the party & blend in but it didnt work out that way. one of the cruisers crashed & he's in prison for his 1st time doing 3yrs on that & a few other high speeds. what i was thinking on my way to work few days ago is did they ever find the drugs from the transaction they claimed was their 'probably cause'?
~~> Rest in peace, love n light, Terrell. Mommy will always love n miss you! April 28th, 1987~July 24th, 2006 <~~
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Report Tha Defendent Parent
TO YOUR [bleep]. MY DAMN CHILD DIDNT GROW UP TO BE A TROUBLE MAKER. MAYBE YOU"VE LOST ONE OF YOURS THROUGH AN ACT OF VOLENCE , or abad drug deal goes wrong. And like i said that kid was no better then mines..................
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Report eggbert
chasing a car that has an armed subject, I would HOPE that OPD has 15 cars after them and not 3.
You see, those 15 cars were there to protect your liberal [bleep], in case the dude decided to start shooting some civilians.
Damed if you do and damned if you don't.
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Report endtostrife
Too bad they chose to run and creat even a more serious situation than the initial crime. Come on wake up crime does not pay unless you consider your loss of life payment. opd remember do the right thing...be safe!
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Report endtostrife
Too bad they chose to run and creat even a more serious situation than the initial crime. Come on wake up crime does not pay unless you consider your loss of life payment. opd remember do the right thing...be safe!
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Report proudmomma
I would like to set the record straight. The whole story of how this unfolded was not told. The man killed was not the driver nor was he a felon. The felon who ran from the police did not stop to allow the man killed out. The person killed had a loving family and a strong support group and was with the wrong person at the wrong time! This is a painful time for all involved. That boy had a mother and a father and a great deal of family trying to cope with what has just happened. Ask yourself this, why was that boy pumped full of pullets and the other was barley even touched. Why did the bullets of three different officers hit that one person in the passenger seat and the person controlling the car walked away with just a few stitches. Does this sound like justice. And how did the police knoe there was a fire arm in th evehicle if it was a traffic stop gone bad and what side of the car was the fire arm on. And there was no mention to drugs or money being found in the car. This could have been your brother your son riding with a friend who made a bad decision. Do you still think that justice was served.
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Report erniem
I doubt the police targeted anyone, they were firing at a car that had evaded the police, hit another police car and pinned an officer in it and then kept on driving, and may have been trying to do it again. There was no behavior here that was ok. The police should have fired. If the passenger was not involved, then his only crime was picking the wrong friends and hanging out with them. They found a gun in the car. It is NOT the police's fault that someone died, it is the fault of the criminal who tried to escape AND hit a police car, pinned an officer in it and kept on going. No heroes here.
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Report bluepeas
(quote eminiem :I doubt the police targeted anyone, they were firing at a car that had evaded the police, hit another police car and pinned an officer in it and then kept on driving, and may have been trying to do it again. There was no behavior here that was ok. The police should have fired. If the passenger was not involved, then his only crime was picking the wrong friends and hanging out with them. They found a gun in the car. It is NOT the police's fault that someone died, it is the fault of the criminal who tried to escape AND hit a police car, pinned an officer in it and kept on going. No heroes here.)
emineim, your claims aren't even FACTS. This is what your READ or HEARD in the MEDIA and they're only repeating ONE SIDE of the story, the officers. How do you know the driver intentionally rammed the cop car & it wasn't an accident & the car slid into the cruiser? Did u know that studies have shown that police officers have the same common elements to the mentality of a criminal, only differences are one gets paid for enforcing the law (and that doesn't mean they won't break it, lie or steal) while the other gets his breaking the law, & it's legal for one to carry a gun & illegal for the other. I could go deep w/ this one but don't feel like whipping out my psychology books on u, lol. Anyway the kids were just out doing what kids do & instead of pulling over the driver went bad, which the passenger didn't deserve to die for...nor does his parents deserve all the pain & grieving their going to go thru for the rest of their lives now b/c their baby was murdered behind of someone else's bull[bleep]. Exactly what happened to my baby. And I revolved my life around my son while the mother to the bad kid didn't give a rats behind what her lil [bleep] did. The murderer himself admitted he shot the wrong kid. It's not fair & I know exactly how his parents are feeling. And don't act like you never made bad choices while growing up b/c it's mistakes that nurture adolescents into wiser more intelligent adults. While education nurtures the brain, experiences instills strength in character. I feel so hurt for the boys parents & every other parent who who works so hard to keep their kids straight yet continously fighting a never ending battle to keep them away from reckless irresponsible kids whose parents are no different.
~~> Rest in peace, love n light, Terrell. Mommy will always love n miss you! April 28th, 1987~ July 24th, 2006<~~
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Report erniem
Bluepeas: It does not MATTER if the car "slid" into the police car. THEY WERE RUNNING AWAY, if they went around a corner and "slid" into a schoolyard of 8 year olds and killed six of them would it be ok because they "slid". Run from the cops, you get trouble.
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Report bluepeas
ok "em" but if thats's the case then that's what the media or the police should say, but majority we don't get the entire truth. im sry but i can't c these kids deliberately ramming into a police car knowing their going to get shot & killed. As an adolescent, Vernon was a happy-go-lucky kid, sneaky but he wasn't into physically hurting ppl & like my son, he would never shoot someone. Many older teens feel they have no other choice but to own a gun to 'protect' themselves & their families. And many of those that do, have been victimized, had guns pointed in their face, their lives threatened or robbed at gunpoint by extremely bad kids/bullies or bullish adults (those that feel they have nothing to lose b/c they have nothing to live for). Don't judge them for keeping protection until u yourself have been up against it w/ the eviliest of evil, put in a situation where you really believe you're going to be dead in the next few minutes, never to c your mom & beloved friends again. Remember, their mind-set isn't as experienced nor old as ours, so feelings of fear is basically new to them. They only know how to react or learn survival tactics if someone logical teaches them. If logic isn't available than some will simply imitate bullies who chose to "be feared" rather than live in fear, while the remainder just chose to keep access to a weapon 'very close'. These r folks that want to live & feel it's the only option. It's a sad thing that EVERY teen I know in Oakland feel so helpless that they have repeated nightmares of being shot. Even kids that don't come out at night. Worst yet, like generations b4 them & w/ good reason, they also have to fear the police.
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Report erniem
I understand what you are saying. I have lived and worked in Bayview and the Tenderloin. There are many times when the young kids face terrible problems. I am NOT celebrating this death. It could have been avoided if the young man had not ridden with a "friend" who was not a friend. It is a tragedy. But I certainly don't blame the police. The car HIT a cop car and PINNED the officer in it. Then ran. That shows the officers exactly how much the driver cares for their safety. Zero. Why should they treat him with kid gloves?
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Report bluepeas
Well thats what I'm saying "em", we don't know the whole story but more has came out. I'd be mad to & would try to hurt somebody who shot my friend right in front of my eyes too, cop or no cop. It effects these kids in a bad way to c their friends get killed. The police explained to me how traumatized the kid was who was w/ my son & how he sees it all the time w/ youths.
As for you below claiming to be ""Vernon's mother"", either your some wacko under another handle whose ranting is very familiar in this forum ( the same IP address makes it obvious to the trib).... or you & my son's friend's mother have son's w/ the same name & the same exact age. And for your information ppl have seen this car around & recognized it fleeing pass them EVADING the police in THEIR neighborhood. Secondly, the Vernon I KNOW was raised by his aunty b/c he (and his siblings) didnt want to live w/ their mom. Both brother's went to a private school only b/c of their aunty whom I know very well & will b calling in the morn. THIRDLY, I never had time for a boyfriend, much less tolerate one putting my son out of his own home (if u were referring to me). I was too busy revolving my life around MY SON & getting my life 2gether, as half of Oakland already knew. At this point u need 2 stop wasting idle time in this forum & put your energy into getting your baby an attorney, magazines & a bible. He'll need it. And show some respect & compassion towards the victim's family by helping & supporting them every chance u get.
(i will b hitting "ignore user"....*CLICK*)
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Report eggbert
I guess we can add kidnapping to the dudes charges then. Oh wait, were you there? I didn't think so. Shaddap.
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Report Tha Defendent Parent
oh for the record the dead is and was a felon, thing you do in the dark will one day come to light.
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Report proudmomma
You could be in the car with someone who doesn't pull over. Do you deserve to die for that.
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Report erniem
Nobody deserves to die. But making bad choices increases your chances considerably
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Report jif
Whether "innocent" or not, the real lesson to take from this is that you cannot divorce yourself from your friends' actions in a case like this. I had a high school teacher who once told me, "Show me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are!" This holds true today, and Oakland parents would do well to heed this truism. If you do not like who your kids hang out with, don't let them hang out or they will turn into their friends. In any event, he may or may not have done anything wrong, but I doubt he was oblivious to the drugs and gun in the car. Lesson learned painfully!
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Report Evita
First of all, for that ignorant person who praised the Oakland police and the others who did also, for shooting my cousin, shame on all of you. None of you even knew him. Xavier Allen was my cousin, and someone that was loved and will always be loved by many. He had a family and friends that cared about him deeply and he will truly be missed. To proudmomma, i'm not sure who you are, but my heart goes out to you also for the loss of Xav. He was such a wonderful, sweet, and kind person. And for the rest of the ignorant people posting comments, if you just want to be ignorant, go do it someplace else. You all have no idea the pain that this loss has caused his friends and family having to sit there at the hospital while he was hooked up to life support and not being able to recognize the person you love's face. I know because I was there having to see that, and none of you have any idea the pain and tears that were felt and shed over him. I hope GOD has mercy on all of your souls for the hurtful things you have said, and For Xavier, sweetie we love and forever will miss you. You will always be in our hearts and memories.
-Evita
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Report Tha Defendent Parent
this is on the trouble shooting saturday. involving my son Vernon,and his what everone is saying that could"nt have been a friend. Well you [bleep] holes theres alot of hoopholes in this case so if you was'nt at the crime seen ,SHUT THE [bleep] UP! To his family i have morals .To mom you spoken on i didnt raise my child up rightoues,that a lie Vernon never did a invading the police nor jeopardize someone life! And you say mommy will always love her son , hell if it wasnt for you the love mother who boyfriend beat up there child and put him out the house maybe he wouldnt have turn out disruptive behavior like others. Yeah Lesely wasnt a saint.......... but he had much love from us.....................
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Report Tha Defendent Parent
To you [bleep] what you say ,good job O.PD [bleep] THE PO PO ...... So can they justified why they shot and killed a 11 year old boy , riding his damn bike . like the [bleep] that you're nice job.. And the younge man got killed 4am in the morning can you answer to that [bleep]! A routine traffic stop hum!
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Report eggbert
why is it that everyone in the ghetto parts of Oakland are one anothers cousins? So we can blame all the root troubles to in-breeding?
Way to go, OPD. Keep up the good work.
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Report jif
"kids at a party counted 11 crusiers chasing c.j. he was suppose to jump out at the party & blend in but it didnt work out that way." - Is everyone OK with this comment. It would seem that these innocent youth were on the cell phone trying to find a place to land and hide from the police with their dope and gun. Does this provide any insight into their possible guilt? No? Very well then, let us move on to this comment. "what i was thinking on my way to work few days ago is did they ever find the drugs from the transaction they claimed was their 'probably (sic) cause'?" Gee let me think...hmmm, where could the drugs that they threw out the window have gone? Perhaps into the pockets of these kids at this party? No, that is just crazy talk!
"As an adolescent, Vernon was a happy-go-lucky kid, sneaky but he wasn't into physically hurting ppl & like my son, he would never shoot someone. Many older teens feel they have no other choice but to own a gun to 'protect' themselves & their families." Does anyone else see the glaring contradiction between the first sentence and the second one? So he wouldn't shoot anyone, but he needs a gun for protection. How do you suppose he would use the gun to protect himself and his family? Like a force field that he would hold in front of himself to stop bullets? And certainly, a felon with a gun and drugs would never feel the need to protect himself from the police. Right, anyway!
Is there any reason why these comments should be viewed as acceptable? If this is the thinking that will be applied by the average Oakland citizen to this fiasco we are all doomed and we might just as well leave Edgerly in office to rob us all blind and give our tax dollars away to her nephews (read: criminals!). I think I will consult with the attorney suing the city for the misuse of Measure Y tax dollars and see if there is a way I can legally refuse to pay another dime of it. In fact, while I'm at it I think I will refuse to pay the illegal LLAD tax. Why pay taxes to support this type of mentality?
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Report bluepeas
I cant help but laugh when I read ur feedback to my posts. I swear ur stalking me & sometimes wonder if I'd find u peeking in my window, lol. I noticed that many posts from parents & families w/ youths & regarding youths, you have no comprehension & an inability to read between the lines. We would have to detail everything word for word b/c u seem to have problems processing & accepting any information pertaining to our communities, programs for youths & youths. We all know you hate Youth Uprising & youths so instead of racking your brain trying to dig into ours why dont u just put the "ignore button" to use. Talking to you about Oakland & youths is like talking to someone who speaks no english jif. So 4get it. Besides when i share info in some of my postings, it's to share w/ other parents b/c these r the things we talk about in the community to stay on top of our kids, how they think & what we have to protect them from, but I dont mind who reads them. Just don't expect me to break it all down to someone who hates kids., ok. It's ok to question something when one person complains but when u have 3,4 ppl saying the same thing.. I think u better start analizing your own postings instead of mines*smile*. I plan on cleaning out my postings from old topics soon anyway since we now have that option, so relax.
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Report The Trouble I See
COWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!