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With all the new money and attention focused on the streets of East Oakland then why do the murders continue to skyrocket? This past weekend there were 6 homicides, and for anyone living in the East you know that there was no shortage of police from various agencies in high numbers patroling the main thouroughfares such as International, Foothill and MacArthur. Extra police must not be the solution, but yet it is the only one getting any play. When will we demand results instead of more overtime and a police state atmosphere? Pulling over motorist apparently has no affect on crime or murder!
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But be careful you are now a enemy of the city you are speaking to much since!!! See what they are failing to realize is the police only scare people who are concerned about the police(law abiding citizens)!!! More police will do nothing as I stated months on top of months ago! TO FIX THIS PROBLEM IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!!! But for some reason all those degrees are doing nothing for our community!!! But they are sooooo smart!!! What you and I say does not mean a thing to them!!! When what we say they dont, but what they do has absolutely NO EFFECT on the violent crime rate(when do they realize what they are doing is not working)!!! When I speak on this matter it feels as if someone is standing on my chest or choking me takes my breath!!! Because no-one will listen and they are making all of the wrong decisions at the price of lives!!!
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I feel sorry for kids today! They have neither bought a ten cent yoo-yoo, with ten cent string nor have they paid thirty cents to go to a movie. Growing up in Long Beach, it was easy enough for me to help tutor black high school kids trying to enter Long Beach Polytechnic's black faternity and sorority. Being president of a company I helped create, and was given an opportunity to make out of high school $100,000 per year because I fulfilled my obligation by making my Junior Achievement company the best I could. I saw first hand how White Cherokees stole, so black Cherokees never had to in Long Beach. Also growing up in East Palo Alto, I watched as thousands of black kids my age died on the streets, but now it has added more Hispanics, Tongans and Samoans to that growing list. Fresno kids took it upon themselves to clean up the violence, but it happened! It is better now than it was then. They had a shootout where 200 guys were wounded and 80 died all in a stretch of five minutes. I do not recommend this for Oakland, but it may have to come to this! I always wanted to know who really was behind the murder of a black Republican businessman whom the SLA got the rap for! I tried to tell the Tongans (online) never to go directly to East Palo Alto. With Tongan royals murdered there and an 18 year old female Hispanic whom San Mateo County wanted to take the fall though nobody connected either the Tongan driver's or the Tongan royal's murder to Nikola Tesla who murdered his mother in Serbia before fleeing to New York in America. Tesla never invented a thing. He ripped off his benefactor's money, Tesla's benefactor took ill and died, he began an extra marital affair with his benefator's wife, then she also took ill and died, as Churchill with a satchel filled with America's inventions tried to pass it over to Stalin undetected, but those things never happen, as Germany and eventually Hitler were given America's future plans. An East Palo Alto physical education teacher known at Ravenswood as Silver Buckle with his driver in Germany during World War II, discovered a man-made mountain that had the first known prototype of a jet inside. Libertarians legally have protected those who cause earthquakes, hurricanes, tsunamis, cyclones, twisters as well as trains, airplanes, buses and automobiles to crash by way of a computer controlled magnetic levigational device.
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efto01, your last paragraph reminds me of a book i read... Michael Crichton's, State of Fear! Good read.  Oakland residents are in a state of fear! Murderers loose and the City is in a noose!  Yet another, City of Armageddon!
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Crichton's books are all the same!  They start off the the ideal something or other until they go berserk!  The ideal vacation spot, the ideal emergency room, the ideal modeling agency, the ideal Japanese Yakuza, and the ideal pre-historic park.  The only theme with a twist was ER, because it happened once a week! Take the California book ISHI.  In it, we get a feel of a people through the brief life of one California Native American who was able to trek to Japan, and communicate to them in his language.  It made me wonder why FDR set the in relocation camps, took all their hard earned money, and then stole their property as well.  
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You'll have to excuse me, but exactly what is your solution?  I wonder if it is as harsh as the one I have in mind. 
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The check points have helped and so has random stops, this is why the police have been havin them. They've caught many youths and young adults (that I know and know of) "dirty", which is why some take the police on high-speed chases while the rest simply get their adenaline up (thinking they're playin cat n mouse w/ the police in one their video games). ~~> Rest in peace, love n light, Terrell. Mommy will always love n miss you <~~
The Trouble I See
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BUT YOU CANT BE SERIOUS. YOU DO REMEMBER WE HAD SIX MURDERS WHILE THEY WERE DOING THIS!!!
washnews
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Most everything is based on results. If something you are doing is not netting the desired results then you must rethink your approach. Constantly running check points will clean up International but most of the murders and crime happen on other streets. 2 murders on Bromley. The check points work for the weekend on busy streets but what about the smaller streets and during the week. The gun buy back program saw gun dealers selling up to 60 guns, that were not worth what they were paid for nor those that would be used in crimes. Yes the police serve a good to the community but they must become more visionary and not have such one track minds. After all they are in a union and one goal of all unions is to increase membership, ie hire more cops.
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If Whites got rid of blacks in Europe 654 ago, then why would they ever come up when investigating black on black crimes?  This only happens when the White sheriff in Atlanta got convicted for ordering black cops to shot the new black sheriff that beat him in a fair election.  Everybody knows how racist Georgia is!
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from what i've seen on the news and read in the paper, it appears that the motives that stand out for the rash of killings are gang and drug related killings, arguments and retaliations.  we don't know how bad it might have been if not for the police involvement.  perhaps their efforts to identify more of the involved parties and make additional arrests have prevented additional mayhem.  the police and community need to work together to get drugs off the street.  i think the drugs are the root cause for much of this violence.
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Let us take Tacoma, Washington, and try to apply it to Oakland, as a concrete example of what may be socially going on.  Everybody has heard about Ted Bundy and how he was executed in Florida, yet after following what was going on in Georgia the next state up, seemed to not ring any alarms, as murders that connected again Tacoma, Washington shot all the way up the eastern seaboard to Washington, D.C. [Beltway Snipers].   Nonetheless, Beaulo was also thrown into the mix when he supposed traveled from Tacoma, Washington to Los Angeles as he wanted to gun down infants and toddlers who thought about one of his weapons being used in a murder and tracing it all back to Tacoma, Washington?  In other words, all of these murders or a longer string than we may realize can be connected with more, but nobody even the cops want to take the time and do it. Another Greater Pacific Northwest flick captured by Hollywood is, "88 Minutes."  The glue that binds every piece together in this soon to be celebrated celluloid is a tattoo on everyone including taxi drives and cops.  Watch how Pacino gravitates from his earlier role as a New York cop in the unwanted by the cripo "Serpico" to that of him being thrown into the mix of street life justice with a super duper sidekick to order:  it's simply breath taking!
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I was talking to a friend the other night who is from Oakland and we were watching The first 48 hours, and she made a comment about how stupid the muderers and robbers were on the show because three guys robbed and killed a memphis college football player over 3000 dollars which is practically nothing. My Logic on the situation was that people who live in the ghetto( i grew up in one), practically come from nothing, dont have nothing, and feel like "well since i can't get anywhere in life i will take it". This is the mentality of many of these kids on the streets commiting these crimes. Now lets also face it, not everyone has an equal opportunity to get an education and make something of themselves. This country continues to oppress, especially black people in this nation. Now as an educated black women who just graduated from college near Oakland, has expeirenced the "pull yourself up by your own boot straps" experience. I came from the ghetto and have risen out of the neighborhood, politics, and people in it that tried to keep me there. That was not an easy thing to do. i found an outlet but that outlet is not there for everyone. that is the reality!!! However, that is no excuse to go around killing people and taking from other peoples lives because you don't have a life of your own....I think it is important that Parents lie a foundation of hope. That no matter what these kids on the streets get involved in that they always have a choice to change their lives. No one is telling these kids this! It must be a foundation to grow from, and the older kids get, the harder it is to change this hopeless violent mindset they recieve from the streets. Its important that we make things happen in the community! However, we have to keep in mind that...in the words of Barack Obama, "how do we expect to tell people to pull themselves up by their own boot straps in life, WHEN THEY HAVE NO BOOTS TO BEGIN WITH!". These are the people we are dealing with in oakland and all across the nation. Oakland is not the only place hurting from this, take Camden New Jersey for instance...and currently they are in the top three cities in terms of being a murder capitol of the world. We all must work together, it is not as easy as it sounds...but more or less people need to become motivated.!
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Just take a look at how all these murders, as the murder rate increases all over the state, yet nobody seems to be behind any of it?  With Chauncy Bailey, where black Muslims seem to have plotted to do him in though their business will going to the dogs, but when a black Atlanta sheriff was gunned down by black deputies at the order of that county's White sheriff, we can find a White guy in the BIG HOUSE in Georgia, but in CALIFORNIA, they're either Mexicans, blacks, or something else but White. "2 Arrested in Killing of Young Councilman - one more sought," by Henry K Lee and Demian Bulwa, San Francisco Chronicle, c. 14 September 2008, p. B1 and B7 only seems to underscore some of the growing problem which can also be found in Mountain View and San Francisco. When is San Mateo County going to clean up all those bodies that were dumped in the Bay around South San Francisco on North Access Road?  Gangs in both San Franciso and San Mateo Counties have been doing it for years!  Is San Mateo County intending to dredge that area, for bodies, or are they just going to act like it's 1354 all over again?
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We need a vigilante one to just take things into there own hands and put fear back into kids
tchrisj
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efto01, ISHI vs. Crichton!  okay, i'll give you that!  Good one! Crichton has a some facts mixed in with his fiction, so I like him! Will the Dellums family and the Police department live and dwell with the scum to see the world through their eyes? No!  Therefore the scum should be considered armed and dangerous and hunted down like the animals they are.  To save tax payers money, some accidents can happen while in custody!  Oh well!  Stuff happens and it couldn't happen to a nicer person than the one in custody. Now, the question... Why isn't society and it's citizens in an uproar about the violence in our cities? It is a me society, now.  WIFFM (what' in it for me) The infamous THEY say.... As long as it's not happening in my back yard it doesn't affect me.  I'll go to work come home and pay my taxes.  While the inner city residence add, and lock my barred windows and if I hear gunshots, I'll duck and cover until the coast is clear and i hope the shot don't come through my drywall. The problem, this violence is in your backyard and also knocking on your front door.   If not, it's coming to city near you, soon. Society has let a generation of young thugs run loose on the city streets with more fire power than the police issued service revolver, more fire power than some swat teams and special forces.   This generation of thugs are the GIVE ME NOW scum!  It's become the haves vs. the have not, us vs. them, rich vs. poor. ACCOUNTABILITY is lacking in the following areas:
  1. City Government
  2. Church Leaders
  3. Families
  4. Individuals
  5. The home
Lead by example, Each one Teach one, It takes a village... all come to mind and are prime examples of what is not happening in our society today.  It used to be you had a parent watching you wherever you go. Society has no real leaders, therefore, they don't know which way to turn.  Society forgot to look inside themselves.  ACCOUNTABILITY, RESPONSIBILITY AND DUE DILIGENCE IN MAINTAINING A BALANCE OF NEIGHBOR WATCHING NEIGHBOR.  There is the old addage, am I my brother's keeper?  I say with an emphatic YES you are! More grassroots projects starting with individuals, immediate families, extended families, neighborhood watch organizations, city block associations, church organizations, voting districts, zip codes, etc.   Grassroots needs to start somewhere and preferrably from the ground up.  We've experienced the trickle down effect..   Stuff always rolls down hill.  Gravity! People need to stop the blame game and take responsibility for their own actions and the actions of their relatives.  Hypothetically speaking... You saw that girl with five kids leave them alone at night to fend for themselves while she's out partying.  How did little Johnny get hurt last night?   All the kids are under 9 years old.  You saw that relative come into the house and ask you to get rid of that weapon he just used in some type of felony.  You know so and so is drunk as a skunk and is about to go outside, drive and take revenge on the guy who disrespected him by looking at him too long, etc.  CALL the POLICE! People are afraid to speak up because they are either, complicit, or have threats made against them.  CALL the POLICE! The infamous saying... Talk is cheap doesn't bode well with right about now because this type of talk is very valuable indeed.  There is a price for it!   Someone is willing to pay to keep it silent and others may pay to make it known. The forum society is screaming mad and I know WE can't be IT! Oh yeah the Deity Dellums has a plan!  Dellusions of Dellums! In any case, I hope we as a society don't suffer the ultimate price in the end for the lack of it. These are kids with guns, sure but they need some tough, hard knock, strict Discipline!  Take away their guns and they are just snot nosed lazy kids with no direction and no purpose! We all need to find a way to BREAK the SILENT CODE OF FEAR!
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Chris, with all due respect, I believe there is an atittude of schizophrenia in the black community.  You have on the one hand Bishop Bob preaching "why do people who look like us are killing those who look like us?" Excuse me, but whomever said this killing is racial?  It's a drug thing--turf wars, and business. Sure, and disrespecting each other too.  And robbery too.  And plain ole violence too. But, it's not all racial.  To pose the violence in those terms is dangerous.  it's more than racial because it's family and LACK OF PARENTING AND TEENAGERS HAVING BABIES who don't teach their children values. Now Bishop  Bob knows better.  If it's the above, than why is he asking silly rhetorical questions?  And why are other silly reverends saying it's guns and not teenagers having babies who are unparented and not taught values? The bottom line is that somehow blacks WOULD like to blame white society.  Not capitalism which some benefit from and still want to find status, wealth and power in a corrupt capitalist society, but blame white people and not the system itself. As long as they can say whites are keeping blacks down, it provides a justification for "they have to deal drugs because there are no jobs".  Black resentments and hostility go very deep.  Whenever there are problems and I saw it continually in my community, the black neighbors hung together right or wrong. That's what's wrong in Oakland. It goes back decades too.  Older black people not calling the police EVER because of past experiences with racist law enforcement officers. And, in the black homes of the drug dealers and users, well, they are benefitting or complicit.  I never EVER saw family members turn their sons/daughters into police in my neigbhorhood. So, your exhortations on this site, well frankly, they are to the wrong people.  And Dellums is exhorting to the wind in press conferences.  Have you seen him walking in the black communities, going to the black churches, schools, black PTA's asking parents for help?  And what about Cynthia Dellums?  What prevents her from doing this?  Oh, I forgot, she was running around the world and the nation with Ron on all those press conferences.  She had to go on long vacations too. And now Dellums, after disbanding the PROBLEM SOLVING OFFICERS, which service the NCPC's (neigbhorhood crime prevention councils), after disbanding the CRTS teams which bust drug dealers, is now re-naming and gutting the NCPC's by calling them NEIGBHORHOOD COUNCILS to deal with so-called broad issues.  Because if you don't have PSO'S or Beat officers or CRT teams, you don't need crime councils.  And now the Home alert Block clubs I guess will become book clubs. Is the black community hollering about this online?  No.  They rather blame the police.  Oakland's murder rate might hit l30 this year.  But the only thing the black community online will comment on is Burris suing the city for Jiminez.  Those are the only two murders that black people who come online here will continually raise and remember out of probably the last 300-500 in the past few years. And the Oakland Tribune will make sure they don't forget either.  
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Traveler, I exhort to those who want to hear what my thoughts and opinions are.  Whether they be to black, white, latin, indian or asian....everyone is responsible for their own actions! alot of people in general are in denial and a lot are suffering from schizophrenia.  and a lot of people in general  don't take on the responsibility that is theirs and theirs alone,  RAISE YOUR PATHETIC CHILD right!  Young girls, stop opening your legs, having unprotected sex, getting pregnant and going on welfare.  Whites stop thinking the only people on welfare are blacks!  Blacks stop saying it's all the white man's fault for all your conditions.  STOP it already!   It all needs to stop! I raise the issue here, because i for one, am not one to blame anyone for my plight and secondly, i want the forum to know, there are black families that have decency, morals, traditions, cultures and do not play the blame game.   I call it accountability, above the line actions.  SEE IT, OWN IT, SOLVE IT, DO IT! I am tired of the blame game.  the white man this, the white man that.  the blacks this, the blacks that.  the mexicans that, the indians this.. Oh sure there is some fault, but just how far is one going to take it?  Just how long is one not going to do something to make their life better.     Sometimes I feel like Bill Cosby, when I talk to black people, they attack me... for what... for telling the truth!  They say to me....You think you're better, you talk like a white person.  Oh, just because you went to school, now you're a know it all.    I tell some, you're Lazy, shiftless and  do nothing but complain because you have nothing.   You have nothing because you give nothing.  Get what you give.  Now give me a break already and do something to make your life better!  Need some assistance.  I'll babysit your child for you while you go look for a job.  That's the kind of person I am.  I'll take you to a job fair, I'll help you fill out the application, I'll help you with your computer class, dammit, I'll help you, but you have to want to help yourself!  i tell them, watch your kids grow up, spend time with them, know who their friends are, know who, when and where they are going and the time they are expected back.  Stay on top of them, children need discipline and constant direction.  These kids don't have anyone that cares about them like they should, and therefore they don't care.  It's simple as that. Beat that [bleep] for acting up,  Beat that [bleep] for embarassing the family, Beat that [bleep] for bringing home a C or D from school.  beat that [bleep] for skipping school. I'm not saying kill the child or committ child abuse but damn, these kids have it too easy.  the parents are not parenting.     Oh, i want johnny to have what I didn't have when I was growing up.  Well, there's your problem,  johnny doesn't know hard work and sacrifice.  yes, you work hard and sacrifice for that ingrate child  and buy them what they asked for and the next thing they tell you, step off or worse show you no respect in your own home, then you throw them out for society to deal with cause you, the parent have not stepped up to the plate and challenged you own child.  Now, johnny's whipping your [bleep] and telling you what to do. I exhort in this forum, because this is where I let off steam. Feel free to print and pass out any one of my exhorts that i  have posted and give to the churches, congregation, Dellums and family or City Government, heck let's make mailers and circulars out of them... No one wants to hear the truth! Sorry so long, but............. You know me, I write books and satire and most of all my feelings and altruisms.....
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Kroeber's works imply a deeper meaning for California and its Superfamily, as it relates to Christianity worldwide.  His understanding of ISHI only underlines the problems California Native Americans and the full plight of Native America endures in the dark today! Crichton may touch upon it in his works, but not as much so as Kroeber did in his externsive volumes concering west coast Native American anthropology and archaeology.  For there to be a Native American bent Christian cross in the destruction of Eastern Europe, we must also connect what happened during 1354 where 75,000,000 Christians in Europe were exterminated.  It would take Kroeberism to the next level!
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efto, well noted!  It doesn't stop... There is much more depth!  thanks!
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75 million christians exterminated in 1354?  I don't think so. There may have been 35-40 million who died of the black death over ten years.
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Let's say your figure is the more correct.  Then, what would be the global impact with such a large pool of Christians exterminated?  How would this respond to Columbus' arrival in the New World 166 years later?  Add an additional 28 more years, why was Mexico laying in ruin? Why were there 30,000,000 exterminated in Mexico alone [it does not include the rest of South America and the West Indies].  It also does not answer why the Dutch attacked Japanese Christians in the 1570's at Nagashina either, yet they were cut down by 90%. Why does history connect Europe's All Saint's Day, 31 October to Mexico's Days of the Dead, 1, 2 & 3 November?  However, Europe's All Saint's Day is a Christain holiday, yet in America, it's for the dead? If 30,000,000 Christians were exterminated in Europe, then were they the ones that did business with African Christians who found themselves both penniless and cast into slavery?

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