Posted on Monday, 8/31/2009 - 5:14 p.m. PDT — by steelersfan8
Really? Only in America. Maybe if he would have done his job as a father, his son would not have been there in the first place. He didnt deserve to die like that but the guy was not an angel by any means. This is a joke and Burris is always around stuff that stinks.
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Joined: Jun 2008
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I am speechless. I guess he feels he has lost "companionship" from the son who never visited him and thought he was a loser. But if he wins a penny WE are the losers.
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prison in San Quentin or wherever, just how often family members in the first lawsuit visited. All the plaintiffs suing through John Burris. Prisons must have visitor logs. It would be an interesting investigative news story.
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It is interesting that Oscar Grant's dad, a convicted murder who he hardly knew, is filing a suit? For what? This guy didn't even know his son, who by the way, followed in his dad's footsteps. Oscar Grant III was on parole for having a gun and while the reports mention how much he was trying to turn his life around, on New Years Eve he was out with his friends brawling on a BART train instead of staying home with his wife and newborn baby. I'm not suggesting that he deserved to die, but that perhaps his actions contributed to his demise. Now his low life murderer father wants in on a piece of the action. And who is going to pay. You and I of course.
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Oscar was out on New Year's Eve w/his Fiance, friends and family.. his daughter was not a new born at that time she was 4 yrs old when he was killed. He, his daughter and his fiance had just came from a dinner that he and his sister had put together for his mother's birthday. Just because he was out does not make him a bad parent. So are u stating that every person that is a parent and was out that nite is considered a bad parent? as far as his father goes he talked to his [bleep]her weekly. Everyone makes mistake even "his low life father" I sure you have never made a major mistake... and I'm sure that your going to state oh I never killed anyone..... but you have made mistake.... I sure you have bones in your closet we all do. So don't forget to think before you make your comments it shows your ignorance. Thanks and have a Great Day.... JUSTICE FOR OSCAR GRANT... AND I AM A FAMILY MEMBER.
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Oscar was out on New Year's Eve w/his Fiance, friends and family.. his daughter was not a new born at that time she was 4 yrs old when he was killed. He, his daughter and his fiance had just came from a dinner that he and his sister had put together for his mother's birthday. Just because he was out does not make him a bad parent. So are u stating that every person that is a parent and was out that nite is considered a bad parent? as far as his father goes he talked to his [bleep]her weekly. Everyone makes mistake even "his low life father" I sure you have never made a major mistake... and I'm sure that your going to state oh I never killed anyone..... but you have made mistake.... I sure you have bones in your closet we all do. So don't forget to think before you make your comments it shows your ignorance. Thanks and have a Great Day.... JUSTICE FOR OSCAR GRANT... AND I AM A FAMILY MEMBER.
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FYI the term "fiance" applies when a couple is engaged. And, no, Oscar Grant & his girlfriend were not engaged. And published articles have reported Grant's girlfriend & 4 y.o. daughter were at home without Grant, NOT out celebrating/traveling with him after midnight, as you now claim they were.
FYI the only one on this page making the sweeping claim that going out New Year's Eve night equates with being a bad parent, is YOU... so you can refute that obvious absurdity. On the other hand, I'd love to hear your rationalization about how choosing violent behavior which one knows is a violation of their parole from recent prison time served, makes one a good parent? And yes, sure, everyone makes "mistakes." But contrary to your ridiculous implication, most of them never involve repeatedly choosing to get into felony conduct, multiple violent assaults against others, or winding up chased by cops while illegally in possession of a gun --- much less racking up at least 12 arrests & 2 prison terms served by time we're just 22 years old -- like Oscar Grant III managed to do!
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Actually I don't care what "published article" u read about his fiance being at home. She actually ran ahead of Oscar at the Bart Station with another young lady to use the ladies room "down stairs" when Oscar was killed. She was tying to get back up stairs when she heard the shot. That is a proven fact!! If you go back to the first news report from ktvu - she is heard speaking on the air and making that specific statement. Facts, facts, that is what u need before u start talking your BS statements. So I don't know what "published article" your reading from. Engaged they were ... and for his daughter she was at home with her Aunt and cousins. 12 arrests where the hell did you get 12.... u need the facts, facts.....
I have much more to say... but I won't - all I can say to u is "FACTS U Need THE FACTS"
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Here's an audio recording of Oscar Grant III's "cousin" telling that she knew he was on his way back home from SF, going "back to see his family and daughter" (who according to her were not with him). No mention whatsoever of gf being at same BART with him. But then again she also says there had been no fighting. So, go figure....
at: youthradio.org/news/oscar-grants-cousins-witness-his-fatal-shooting
Where did I get the number 12 arrests? From online published news articles that are now expired, no longer available (....except for someone's unofficial blog, quoted below, which I cannot confirm or deny its credibility).
"Grant had a criminal record; according to the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, Grant served several months in state prison in 2007 and 2008. The Department of Corrections didn't disclose the offenses for which Grant was sentenced. Records at the main Alameda County Courthouse in Oakland indicate that Grant had 12 separate cases between April 12, 2004, and May 8, 2008. But the records for all of those cases are at the Hayward Hall of Justice and weren't immediately available."
is from:
blackvoices.com/boards/entertainment/entertainmnt/entertainment/oscar-grants-criminal-record/258909/1
As for OG's gf on KTVU as you claim? I never heard it; can't find it on youtube; can't find it on KTVU site either ... which, I'm first to admit, does not prove she didn't, or did, speak to KTVU. If you had a link, you sure haven't said....
FYI I have plenty more I could say too, but also I won't. Because all this is straying way off the topic of what makes a good parent ... and more importantly, after the exact same topics got rehashed into minutia last spring, and alternate video perspective seen (showing Grant struggling with Pironi and making a quick but failed grab for cop's gun), and, alternate opinions heard, still, nothing seemed changed in the controversy. And no amount of rehasing will undo this nightmare.
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The apple did not fall far from the tree. Perhaps the other half of the family could sue the father for spawning Oscar III, who was nothing but a criminal drain on society. Then the father could sue Oscar III's mother for spawning him as well and do nothing to ensure that he not turn out like the murderous t u r d she had slept with to create him. And when all of those law suits are settled the people of the State of California can sue those two to recoup our losses in welfare and imprisonment costs that Oscar III incurred during his notoriously criminal and thankfully short life.
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I CANT AGREE WITH WHAT HIS FATHER IS DOING EITHER. FROM BEING IN MY POSITION I DON'T SEE WHAT ANY GOOD IT WOULD BE TO SUE BART. BUT ON THE REAL NOTE...HOW DARE ANY OF YOU..."THE APPLE DOESN'T FALL FAR FROM THE TREE" AND RIDICULOUS COMMENTS LIKE THAT. WAS OSCAR GRANT III A MURDERER? DO ANY OF YOU KNOW THAT MAN? NO. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE. BUT WHAT YOU ALL DO KNOW IS WHO THE MURDER IN THIS CASE IS. MEHSERLE. JUST BECAUSE HE HAS THE TITLE OF A "COP" DOESN'T MAKE HIM ANY MORE OF A MAN. HE MURDERED A FATHER EXECUTION STYLE. WHAT OSCAR DID IN HIS PAST OR EVEN THE 10 MINUTES LEADING UP TO HIS MURDER DOESN'T DEFINE HIM. AS MUCH AS YOU ALL SAY THAT YOUR ARE NOT SAYING GRANT DESERVED DEATH..ITS WHAT YOU ALL REALLY DO MEAN. THAT DIRTY PIG SHOULD BE CHARGED WITH FIRST DEGREE MURDER..THATS WHAT HE DID. HE KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING. THE ONLY THING HE FORGOT ABOUT WAS MODERN TECHNOLOGY. HIS TYPE ALWAYS GET AWAY WITH MURDER. PRAYERS TO THE GRANT FAMILY.
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I actually knew Oscar and he was a confused but at times ok guy. At times not. And his past behavior did not dictate that he should die, but his behavior on the BART train put him in the place where it could happen, and his fighting with the cops helped it along. First degree murder implies planning and execution. The cop just responded to a call in. At best manslaughter.
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I did not know Oscar Grant, thank goodness. I did recently speak to someone who is in the know at the Grocer's Union. That conversation made one thing abundantly clear - Oscar Grant was not a devoted, well respected, meaningful employee at Farmer Joes. I had no doubt about that prior to the conversation, but I was curious to know if there was any reason for me to believe that drivel the media is putting out about his employment there.
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He was often angry at work, but capable of courtesy and concern. Yes he worked at Farmer Joes, that is how I knew him. In fact my first impression was that he was angry and troubled. Again no reason to kill him, but he was not killed for being angry and troubled, he was killed because his behavior put him in the wrong place at the wrong time, and a cop screwed up.
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Get paid because the son of a [bleep] should be put in the sparky chair for what he did to my cat Grant.....Oink set it off !!!!