Posted on Tuesday, 10/27/2009 - 12:15 p.m. PDT — by bluepeas
Bad things disturb good ppl....sooo out of 15 followers, there was 0 good ppl? That's hard to believe even though Richmond is off the hook. Lot of kids look up to older teens, some even fear them. I'm sure the young adults (19 yr old) participation is what caused some of the younger ones to ignore their conscious & do nothing. Anyone over 16 that "participated" w/ the adult, should be charged as an adult, thrown in Contra Costa jail & get a strike..if they don't throw the book at them (not life tho) & get them counseling behind walls, it'll only be easier for them to rape again. The strike will put something on their minds
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who saw this did nothing. Peer pressure is one thing, but this isn't one of those times you protect the people who did so much wrong to this girl. You know who broke into the school and stole a laptop computer....fine, don't rat them out...but rape and battery? These are evil people at heart and they don't deserve to have a future without punishment. Think about it. What kind of person could pull out their penis, get it hard and enjoy having a violent intimate encounter with a girl who's passed out in front of a bunch of people watching? I guess not so difficult for the rapists. I hope they get everyone involved in the rape and try to reach out to the kids who did nothing but watch and teach them about right and wrong. I've seen this happen on TV. It's usually on discovery channel watching low level monkeys do similar things. Guess it's just natural for some. Hope their parents know what kind of f'd up morals they've taught.
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but this girl will have this affect her for the rest of hers. I wish her peace.
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I have not heard his side. She was suppose to call him. Was he blowin up her phone trying to get a hold of her???
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bavbav, the father said he had been trying & trying to call his daughter's cell but got no answer. I think that may be how the police was able to charge the 18 yr old w/ robbery also. he probably stole her cell along w/ her money? I read in other major news sites, which has a lot more info, that parents have already begun to take their teens out of that school district. Guaranteed the rest of the perpetrators r sweating bullets. The police isnt going to stop till they get all of them. One girl said the victim would have died if help hadn't arrived.
Quote from associated press: Student Joseph Machado, 16, said the mood inside Richmond High School was tense as officers were questioning fellow students. Two squad cars were parked outside the main entrance, and school security teams were patrolling the grounds in golf carts.
"Some of my friends were saying, 'What if that happened to me?'" said Machado, whose parents didn't allow him to go to the dance. "This school, this city already has a bad reputation and now this makes it worse."
--There's nothing worse than people who have kids ugly in character and don't know it
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Someone said in an earlier post that maybe something good will come of this..it pains me to say that maybe Richmond will get the attention it needs to turn this city around and make it safe to live there. It is shameful that it took a premeditated gang initiation/rape of a 15 yr old girl to shed light on this city.
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I hope you are right. I listened to part of the meeting about installing cameras at the school and the weak-kneed responses. Just need more time? This girl needed more time too. Now her life is trashed. I would think everyone would be out there putting the d*****d cameras up. Ridiculously irresponsible.
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I dont think anyone expects anything productive in life from Manuel Ortega or the other 20 people involved but this is horrible. The 15 yr old girl may never recover from this. Everyone involved should be charged with rape, including those who watched, took pics, and didnt report the incident. Where the hell are the parents of these kids?
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Good Samaritan laws are different than "duty to rescue" laws. Duty to Rescue is in effect in FL, WI, MA, MN, OH, RI, VT, WA. We need to press our legislators to enact duty to rescue laws.
As for the dad, early accounts said that she left intending to call him, but did not do so before she was invited to the "party" down the alleyway.
Google duty to respond or Wiki it....
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If this rotton state of california and it's ultra liberal leaders would allow law abiding citizens their constitutional right to carry a firearm for protection someone would have done something to help this poor baby. You hear it everyday people are fearful to get involved because they know the criminals will come back and put a bullet in their [bleep] next or they do get involved and they wind up getting their haed bashed in. Why? because they ( the criminals ) know theres is no deterant. The police as much as I respect them cannot be everywhere and they know this. but so do hugs, gangsters, and muggers. We have gone over this stuff again and again but the media won't pick up on it. Politicians have to make it legal for people to defend themselves and others in order for these animals to think about making a bad choice. come back and tell me Im wrong
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This whole incident shows we cannot even trust these kids with alcohol and their own body parts. Yet you would trust them with lethal weapons?
That is Clueless with a capital C!
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who ever said to let kids have leathal weapons? thats the problem with people like you is that you miss the whole point. NOBODY EVER SAID TO LET KIDS OR YOUNGSTERS HAVE LEATHAL WEAPONS. The article said adults (Women) had called 911 but were too afraid to approach the area. WHY DO YOU THINK THIS MAY HAVE BEEN? Do you think Juviniles use weapons to rob and injure people? YES THEY DO. WHY WOULD YOU THINK IT WOULD BE WRONG FOR LAW ABIDING PEOPLE TO HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS CRIMINALS. BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU THINK THAT law abiding people cannot be trusted just as these kids as you say.
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Ultra liberal leaders???
If there had been weapons there, the girl would still have been raped, but we would be reading about other innocent people being injured or killed also. Why do you just want to reach for a gun? I wouldn't trust you with a gun in public, believe me. And, I have seen a law abiding citizen with a gun in public, thinking that he was going to defuse or settle a dispute. It didn't turn out well; I nearly got shot and the kids who were causing the trouble just drove away. I was just an innocent bystander walking to my car in a safe location. More guns are not the answer!
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and you probably think the death penalty wrong and abortion right.......ever wonder why Texas has less crime against people (rape, murder, robbery) than any other state? because the criminals are smart enough to know there may be someone packing heat.......CA needs to stop babying the criminal and giving them what they deserve.....chain gang workers with little more than water and bread.
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you said it straight. In california, the criminals have all the protection they want and yes they do baby them. Leavenworth is bad and nobody wants to go there. what about the cop killers that SF Da doesn't want to give the death penalty to or the illegal who killed a father and two sons. Too harsh of punishment for these guys. The lawmakers have gone too soft on real crime. It really is the liberals and we need to get them out of office. Your right, in arizona or texas people don't screw around too much with car jackings and strong arm robbery because criminals know that person might be packing heat. But wait till one of you need help and a good samaritan saves your butt by packing heat. you'll sing a different tune.
I ask myself why are you liberals so scared of allowing the community to watch out for one another. You act as though people can't be trusted unless they have a badge. Is there any beret wearing gaurdian angels in richmond or oakland. its the responsibilty of the community to help one another but everyone is scared right.
Like it is said in the movie. most people respect the badge & a gun, but everyone respects the gun!
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I don't respect guns. I don't respect people who think more guns are the answer to everything. Have you done studies on crime rates in other countries where people do NOT carry guns? It doesn't matter to you that innocent people are put to death and later exhonerated? Do you respect people at all?
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You know nothing about liberals. Do you believe in the Ten Commandments? Do you think that you should follow them or are they only suggestions that you can use or not as you please? Abortion is not a black and white issue; there are many gray areas. You are willing to kill grown people but not the possibility of a person? How do you know what criminals are thinking? Do you think or do you just have knee-jerk responses to everything?
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I remember my daughter who attended her prom and told me that she was invited to a hotel in another city after the prom. She was sure who the driver was and had no information on who would be there. I instantly killed that idea and met with the parents of other children who had no idea what was being planned.
We secured two rooms at a nearby marriott and allowed the promers to party there along with food drinks and music while we took shifts chaparoning in the 2nd room.
Parents don't ever allow your kids to be alone or in need of adult supervision on a night that should have lifetime memories of a good time.
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in particular and degraded American culture as well. Sad but true. What else can account for 15 lookers on?
But should we be shocked? Why, when atrocities are being committed in our name routinely by American military in countries around the world that we are occupying? When torture was promoted by ex-President George Bush, legitimized in written legal documents by US Attorney General Gonzales and promoted by no less thanVP Cheney?
When rape has become widespread in our American military, particularly rape of women soldiers in Iraq?
These policies have not only degraded other people, they have infected and degraded our entire society to t he point that now the same policies are being used against American citizens who come into contact with police officers as well in the form of wholesale tasering.
So I ask, why should these kids be the exception to the rule of a society that in general no longer respects citizens nor the individual? A society that doesn't really value nor respect human life in general but instead degrades it through governmental actions?
A society where as soon as there is a problem we refer to others as savages or talk about "slaughtering" other human beings in this forum as if they are animals?
Those who speak the language of hatred indeed become like those they hate--dehumanized themselves. As someone else said, worse than animals!
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very very well said
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THIS FOO GONNA GET RAPED IN PRISON FA SHO
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a 21 yr old! The trib needs to step their game up...why is this not being reported =(
They just issued out warrants for more arrests!
KTVU website
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I am deeply concerned for the girl and the community in general and feel that something should be done as a show of strength. I am not sure what that would be at this point, a poster signed at the school, a march in the neighborhood, or a call/plea to Oprah... But something HAS TO be done and it should be strong, loving and public.
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I think that it is appauling that people 2 blocks away heard about the rape, but the police inside did not. It really hurts and brings me to tears to know that many people either watched or were involved or worse, laughed about what was going on and happening to this girl. I do not condone under age drinking but no one has a right to rape, demean, or permanently scar someone, because they are drunk. My prayers go out to this young lady and her family.
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I have to ask, because nothing short of a police state can protect a woman from that kind of rape as long as she is foolish enough to drink that much liquor with young men. Unless she was born yesterday, she should know they are giving it to her to get her drunk, so that they can have their way with her.
Why, in their twisted way of thinking, they will even believe she has consented to it just be accepting the liquor!
This is why underage drinking, illegal as it is for both sexes, is particularly dangerous for high school girls. They should simply avoid it completely.
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"unless she was born yesterday" She is only fifteen. She had not
had the life experience to realize the risk she was placing herself
in. We need to teach our girls how to protect themselves,
and teach our boys not rape and how to be morally courageous
and protest similar atrocities if they are witnesses.
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They thought if they kept their eyes on what was going on in the building(s), that they have done their jobs.
A four year old would have known better. But this problem is not unique to Richmond: the hiring criteria for police do not pick out the best and the brightest.
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I feel for the young girl. I do not understand for the life of me, how and why no one would not intervene this act. Yet, they can stand their and ridicule the victim, by taking pictures. It is always said, "what goes around will come around." There isn't enough liquor in the world, that can take a person hostage of their self control. If this is a dance for teen's, what was the reason for these grown men being there at a teen function? She'll be forever scared. She will need all the love and support from all her family members and friends.
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Nobody intervened, because they are animals!
pure and simple
These are the same folks who will see a person murdered in broad daylight, but won't say a word.
we expect too much from these animals and they have no business living amongst human beings.
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this one is wrong.
High school girls have to get it through their heads: if you get drunk with horny boys, the combination of liquor and desire addles their brains into accepting the most ridiculous things as 'consent'. Even the onlookers, rather than believe the horror of the sight before their eyes, will make excuses for doing nothing.
The retired UC sociologists explained this desire to make excuses. It doesn't make them animals.
Did you miss his explanation, or did you just figure you know better than the man who actually studied the topic seriously for years?
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Like so many politically correct answers, this one is horrible. The UC sociologist can explain away and forgive any horrible and abominable act he wants. That does not make it forgivable, less horrible or excusable. They are animals. Worse than animals, animals don't gang rape. They are vicious amoral little monsters...... And the sooner you figure this out, the better. Funny, nobody in my high school resorted to gang rape. I guess you have lower standards.
"The man who studied the topic for years" LMAO, you mean the UC prof who got tenure and promptly stopped working?
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I agree with you entirely! Except I will add that they are pathetically WEAK little wormy monsters without any virtues or honor and should be treated as such. How dare anyone put ANY blame on this young lady for the acts of a bunch of cowardly half wits who gain pleasure from causing pain to an innocent young girl drunk or NOT!
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Irresponsibility on the part of a fifteen year old doesn't excuse or even explain multiple felony counts.
This sort of thing should be a capitol crime.
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What kind of 'virtue' or 'honor' do you think you show by saying you agree, but then disagreeing?
Worse yet, expressing your disagreement while showing you don't even understand what you are agreeing and disagreeing with.
NOBODY "put the blame" on the poor girl for what happened to her. Rather, the point I am trying to make is that unless you are willing to surrender to a police state, there is NO WAY we can protect a girl who is that reckless: underage drinking really is that much more dangerous for girls than for boys.
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You can word game it until you are blue in the face, but the fact is that if you suggest that had she not been drunk this would have never happened IS blaming the victim. As for your assertion that boys fair better with underage drinking I wonder if you would be singing a different tune had those boys hopped in a car and wiped out your entire family while DUI. Oh, and BTW, the so-called professor and you sound like you are making excuses for these savages. I have been in situations where I was terribly intoxicated and the young men around me were just as drunk and none of them thought gang rape was a viable option for the night's entertainment.
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I can not beleave that you said what you said it only go's to show me how Stupid you really are. Just because the girl was drinking dos not give the right for anybody to Rape her or any body else and for the people that stood around and watched this happen should all be pute in jail for the rest of there life.
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The DA should charge every onlooker of "CONSPIRICY TO COMMIT RAPE" ESPECIALLY THE PERSON WHO LED HER THERE..THIS WAS ALL PREMEDITATED!!
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rape, bodily injury, kidnapping, accessory to a felony, assault, u name it
whatever, pile it on
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For what you are demanding is a lawless abuse of the law. There is and can be NO valid reason for charging ALL the onlookers with a crime.
The reason we have a Bill of Rights and Rules of Procedure is to protect society from the nightmarish legal abuse that we would suffer if you were to have your way.
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Negligence – failure to act as a reasonable person; Yep I’d nail them all to the wall.
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Nobody has elected YOU judge! The reason we have a legal system is to protect society from psedo-righteous indignation such as yours.
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Actually the reason we have a legal system is to protect the weak and make society a safer place to livel. Sorry you don't get that. It's not to protect the criminals from their just punishment. But you're the one blaming the victim....... Shame on you.
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Ya............ and we've all seen time after time on just how good our legal system is, havent we. The only justice that can be served in this case is to have every single individual involved hung from a fuking tree upside down with a fork up their [bleep] in the exact area where this attrocitiy happend. So you can take your social indignation finger pointing bull #### somewhere else. GO TELL YOUR TRASH TO THE FATHER OF THE INNOCENT GIRL THAT GOT GANG RAPED BY 15 GANG MEMBERS.
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Ya............ and we've all seen time after time on just how good our legal system is, havent we. The only justice that can be served in this case is to have every single individual involved hung from a fuking tree upside down with a fork up their [bleep] in the exact area where this attrocitiy happend. So you can take your social indignation finger pointing bull #### somewhere else. GO TELL YOUR TRASH TO THE FATHER OF THE INNOCENT GIRL THAT GOT GANG RAPED BY 15 GANG MEMBERS.
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Ya............ and we've all seen time after time on just how good our legal system is, havent we. The only justice that can be served in this case is to have every single individual involved hung from a fuking tree upside down with a fork up their [bleep] in the exact area where this attrocitiy happend. So you can take your social indignation finger pointing bull #### somewhere else. GO TELL YOUR TRASH TO THE FATHER OF THE INNOCENT GIRL THAT GOT GANG RAPED BY 15 GANG MEMBERS.
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Those who raped were participants in this crime, those who laughed, jeered, took pictures were particpents in the crime (the law has a particular charge for those who "incite" a crime).
ALL of the PARTICIPANTS should be charged.
Those who were mere witnesses and did not intervene technically should not be charged with anything. They, however, are weak and/or desensitized to violence. Either way, as a society, this needs to be addressed.
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I can understand the outrage. What happened certainly is an outrage. But why are you guys surprised? The locals in that part of Richmond -- as in too much of the Bay Area -- have been raising their kids to be monsters for years.
Yes, it is much worse than the little girl's comment that they have no respect for women? 'Respect'? Lots of people have no respect for women, yet would never dream of committing such outrageous violence because of it. So it must be much deeper than that.
That is, not only do they have no respect for women, they have no respect for law (no surprise there), no respect for the community, and not even respect for other human beings.
Yes, I am tempted to join the chorus of those calling them 'animals', but I have never seen such diabolical malice out of animals. Only human beings can be that wicked.
Now getting in touch with my internal feckless optimist, I hope that the people in the area are shocked enough by all this that they will finally do something about the fundamental problem: stop raising your children to be monsters. Start paying attention to their education both in out out of school.
Fathers have to teach their young men not to get women drunk in order to deceive them into letting them have their way with them, mothers have to teach their daughters how much more dangerous alcohol abuse is for women than for men. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Both also have to teach: when you see a crime in progress, report it right away. Once this again becomes the norm, the perps will no longer be able to threaten the 'snitch'.
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Got news for you; the middle class in California has been reacting to this sort of behavior for years. It's called "moving out of state."
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and thats exactly why I left with thousands of other in the early 1990's. The bay area is nothing short of a cesspool anymore. Flat out!
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Sorry, but if law abiding citizens had been armed, there wouldn't have been "innocent people" being shot. I used to live in Oregon, an open carry state; and I live part time in Nevada. Portland, Or requires a CCW to carry, and many people have them, which might explain why the Portland Metro area is so peaceful compared to Oakland. Seattle is the same.
The reality is in Oregon and Washington I never thought twice about calling the police or reporting suspected crimes; in California I try not to get involved. Not only does California prevent me from defending myself from vengeful criminals; but on one occasion when I called the police to report open drug dealing four houses from the Newark Middle School, the police attempted to equate their drug dealing with the fact that some of my yard mulch had blown across the sidewalk. They made the suggestion that if my neighbor wanted to complain, he could complain about the yard mulch as much as I complained about what was going on at that house - they got into this whole rhetoric about "tit for tat" reprisals between neighbors while flagrantly ignoring the drug dealing. (In all my many calls only ONE officer actually did anything; the dealers finally were moved out when I began to start a private nuisance abatement proceeding against the landlord. Before that we had to put up with constant attempted break-ins, confused addicts ringing our doorbell because they vaguely remember their dealer lived in a two story house somewhere on the block, etc. etc.)
My husband, raised near Detroit, told me to not bother calling the police in the future - to him, actions that seemed inexplicable to me were clear as a bell - the cops either didn't want to do their jobs or were on the take, and in either case calling them would cause me more trouble than it caused the felons.
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When the most confusing day in Hayward or Richmond and cities like it is Father's Day, how can anyone ask "how does this happen?" witht the fatherless society we now live in, it's surprising this is not more common. and for the kids who do know their fathers, the typical father (sperm donor only in most cases) is as much a low life as the kids who acted in this regard. These cowards ought to be hung...oh, yeah, many are probably illiegals anyway and would never do time......
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To any of the girls relatives or friends who may be reading this, just wanted to say I hope she recovers and is one day able to put this horrible event behind her. Just as others here have stated, I too hope the guys who did this are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But I'm equally concerned for the girl's well being, and hope she gets all of the support she needs and hope that she goes on to have a productive life, despite this tragedy.
Since most of the comments here are about the justice system and politics, I figured I'd send my best wishes to this precious angel who had to suffer this horrific act. Sorry if I disrupted the discussion. Carry on.
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I echo those sentiments. Our hearts and thoughts need to go out to this poor innocent girl. I dont agree with Rob on most other things, but will have to agree about this one.
Gods speed in that girls recovery. But I also understand that there needs to be justice. Swift and exact!
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You really did not read him. By NO means did he APOLOGIZE for their behavior. All he did was explain it.
One of these days, you really should learn the difference. Until then, do us all a favor and keep your ignorant opinions to yourselfe.
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your concern for this young victim is the BEST one in this forum...there is still a bit of salvation in humanity
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I doubt Rob Thomas gives a plugged nickel. All he saw was a perfect moment to make one of his classic " I know best and am most humble" statements, a genre that he has perfected.
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I'll second that Ernie!
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I am guessing most that stood around and watched the horrific rape,were juveniles. So what! It isn't just parents not teaching their children what is right and wrong. What they do in situations; Having Morales to do what is "the right thing to do." SCHOOLS need to teach it in the classroom;starting in kindergardten or 1st grade. Up into Sociology,etc. in Jr. High and High School. What is happening with our youth? Where the BIG DEAL is to beat up and bully their peers to be video taped and put on UTube,etc. Where it has now gotten to the point of including video taping Murder and Rape. By those that are standing around. Watching instead of trying to stop what's happening. Or going/calling for help. This Rape on a 15 year old girl! There should have been Adults/Security inside and out of the school. There is no Logical reason for it to have happened. With all that is going on in/at schools these days - ALL OVER the country;Schools should be taking more action to AVOID such HORRIFIC acts. It is their RESPONSIBILITY to take the apropriate action to protect the the students from bullying/beatings/weapons/drugs/rape/murder. ACT on what is happening in the area. There is no excuse in these days and times. PERIOD ! As for the "Audience" to the Rape;ALL that attended and did NOTHING to help. That can be found (and I'm guessing,are the ones the police questioned to get to the Rapists) should be charged as "Assesories to the Crime,After the Fact." Or another that is similar that I can't remember... It would make the youth in this instance and those in future that stand around and watch/video tape - think twice on doing Nothing. To watch or leave a crime;knowing it is happening and Do Nothing is almost as bad as committing the crime.