Posted on Tue, 05/20/2008 - 21:04 — by azcaresident
Nancy Nadel encourages and condones criminal behavior. She excuses it, justifies it and enables it. She endorses every type of pathelogical behavior and perversion known to humankind.
SAVE OUR CITY!!!! VOTE NO ON NANCY NADEL!!!!! YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON HER BEING REMOVED FROM OFFICE!!!! VOTE NO ON NANCY NADEL ON JUNE 3RD!!!!
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Joined: May 2008
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Report macheop
Beware of false claims: "There have always been violent youths. But today there are more of them and they are fiercer, said workers at Alameda County Juvenile Hall Justice Center in San Leandro."
This statement is not only untrue, it is inflammatory. According to the Council on Crime and Delinquency, youth are no more violent today than 30 years ago. In fact violent crime by young people has gone down not up.
Of course workers at the juvenile hall facility will claim that youth are "fiercer" because they deal with troubled youth exclusively and intensively.
However, this kind of branding of youth is reminicient of the creation of the term "super preadator" which led to "tough on crime" laws across the country which amounted to tough on minority youth.
Princeton professor John DiIulio invented the myth of the "juvenile superpredator" in the early 1990s which he later recanted.
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Report The Trouble I See
These young dudes now a days is CRAZY! They are killing each other over things you and I would have fought over! If youth and violence were not a problem why have the laws been changed to charge them as adults?
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Report macheop
Actually I work with these youth in east Oakland and I have been working with these youth since 1993 all over east and west Oakland. I don't hide. I live and breathe working with these youth and they are not crazy, they are abused, neglected, traumatized, malnourished, and underserved. If you actually know the facts about violent crime, the large majority of violent crime; murders, rapes, robberies, and assaults are perpetrated by ADULTS over 18, not the youth.
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Rapes and assaults I would have to agree with you! Murders and robberies I will have to disagree with you. If they knew who was committing these crimes it would not be as many open cases, wouldn't you say? Working with youth is different than running with youth! You don't get the truth working with them, but you see the truth running with them! Not taking anything from you I applaud you, we need more people like you! All the systems you just gave are the ingredients for Oakland streets today do you agree? Does anyone have the statistics for the crime rate?
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Report macheop
You can get the crime statistics from oaklandnet.com and the juvenile health statistics from the Alameda County Behavioral Health report.
Although there are a large number of unsolved murders, many people know exactly who the perpetrator is but will not testify in a court of law so the DA's office will never have a case without evidence but many of the murder suspects are in fact adults. When a youth is the perpetrator, it makes headlines and gives the impression that youth are driving the crime problem in Oakland and they are not. Adults are far more violent, fierce, angry, abusive and armed.
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Report bluepeas
This is so true "macheop". When my son went to the hall and Camp Sweeney 3,4 yrs ago, some of the cr*p the boys confided to him which happened to them on the homefront, made me so sick I wanted to go to the police myself and even thought about murdering the adults that did these horrible things to kids. One boy broke down while confiding to my son how his uncle forced him and his lil sister to have sex 2gether by threatening to sic his pit bull on them if they didn't and would kill them if they told anyone. What made me even sicker is how grown men (certain counselors employed at the hall)took advantage of the more timid youths from single parent households, without family visits or fatherless (they get info on the kids by looking at their files) and kick them in the mouth, intimidate them & just bring all their issues to work and took it out on the kids, kids already wounded, broken spirits and/or sexually abused. I've seen young kids (males) downtown selling themselves just to eat and the perverts that drive around looking for them come in all ages. I can imagine you've seen it all too simply b/c you know whats really going on.
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Report azcaresident
REQUEST THE PLACEMENT OF FEDERAL ELECTION MONITORS IN THE CORRUPT DISTRICT 3 ON ELECTION DAY, JUNE 3RD, AND TO MONITOR THE COUNT OF ABSENTEE BALLOTS. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GUARANTEE A FREE AND FAIR ELECTION!
SAVE OUR CITY FROM VIOLENCE AND PERVERSION - VOTE NO ON NADEL!!!!!!!!!!
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Report oakie
I entirely agree: Nadel has been on the City Council for 12 years and the policies and use of taxpayer's funds (over $1 Billion per year go through city coffers) have created a horrible crime ridden city. But please add Jane Brunner to that list! She also has been in power for 12 years and is also responsible for creating this mess.
In the time these 2 have been in power, New York City has gone from a worse crime rate than Oakland's to now it is the safest large city in America (Oakland is now the 4th most DANGEROUS city in America). How did NYC reduce their crime rate by 80%? You can read about it in a book by William Bratton (chief of PD in NY that DID it) called "Turnaround." It is not a secret. It's called the New York Miracle.
But the real question is why have Nadel and Brunner (and others) IGNORED for the past 12 years what was done there and reinterpret it to fit Oakland's situation? In the time these two have been on the Council, we have has more than 1,250 human beings murdered in our city. If we had implemented the changes like New York, and had reduced crime that much, more than 900 human beings would still be alive today. Most of them are African American males. Nadel and Brunner have chosen policies for this city that have resulted in this difference. It IS a form of genocide. White, left wing "progressive" genocide. It is shameful.
But we can turn this ship around! Vote for Sean Sullivan in District 3 and Pat McCullough in District 1! The memory of 900 human lives demand it.
If the incumbents are reelected again, which means they will have 16 years in office, please don't expect anything to change. It is, after all, the definition of insanity to do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result.
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Report azcaresident
We must get rid of both Nadel & Brunner if our City is to have any chance of survival. These 2 fruitcakes should be disposed of on June 3rd followed by a federal criminal investigation into their corrupt practices. Contact the U.S. Justice Department.
OAKLANDERS!!!! Join me and OAKIE and thousands of others to remove all 4 incumbents who are running for Oakland City Council. Vote for Pat McCullough in District 1, Sean Sullivan in District 3 and Charlie Pine for the At Large seat.
If elected, they will provide Oakland with a bright future. Vote for hope!!!!
P.S. Also get rid of the incumbent dimwits in Districts 5 & 7.
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Report oakie
If you are reading this and agree, please do all you can to help Sean Sullivan and Pat McCullough. They need your vote, but if you can donate money, put up a yard sign, walk a precinct or phone bank to let other's know, this is your time to help get this done. Go to their web sites and donate what you can, and email them to offer whatever help you can.
I can say that running against an incumbent is always always difficult. But I think Oakland's particularly difficult because there are many people here who start with their "progressive" dogma and refuse to recognize how it has damaged our city. They are very stubborn with their ideology and refuse to see what it has done to this city. I was working a table for Patrick and a parent, about 35 years old, holding a young one year old on his Bjorn came by. But he shook head: we don't need more cops. He just couldn't see all the empirical data I threw at him documenting what has proven to work, reducing crime by 80% if done properly. He just shook his head. He could not see anything beyond his dogma.
If those people win, continuing these failed policies, his young son is going to grow up in a city that is truly unlivable. I've been in Oakland for 25 years. When I arrived, I went all over the city, even shopping at Eastmont Mall. Does anyone remember when there was a JC Penney there? Well, it WAS a functioning albeit dowdy shopping mall. Now it is a wasteland, only functioning as a police substation. Now I won't go to 2/3 of the city with my daughter, because it's too likely that guns will be fired. 2/3 of the city is off limits? What kind of a place is this!
And this guy's going to vote to continue the policies that have destroyed our beautiful city! And if the incumbents are reelected, when his kid grows up, there's no way that kid will be able to live a free and easy life here. What a shame. Please help turn this city around.
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Report The Trouble I See
OK IF YOUR FOR MORE POLICE THEN TAKE OFF THE PART ON THE APPLICATIONS THAT ASKS HAVE YOU BEEN CONVICTED! IF NOT THEN NO MORE POLICE!
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Report azcaresident
What about those of us who live in Nancy Nadel's and Jane Brunner's districts? We are suffering from post traumatic stress disorder just knowing that they are still on the City council. When will we get relief?
JUNE 3RD!!!!! THAT'S WHEN!!!!
VOTE NO ON NADEL & BRUNNER - IF YOU VALUE YOUR LIFE!!!!!
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Report jif
Seriously? I mean really? Trouble, you want OPD to not ask its candidates if they have ever been convicted of a crime, felony or otherwise? That sounds like a great proposal! We can have this lot of crack babies raised on orange soda and melted cheese covered Doritos in a bag running around the city giving ghetto passes to their old dope selling buddies while setting up little old ladies for home invasion robberies after they take a report from them! The same group of a**holes who would as soon shoot you and take your car after a car accident? These lost souls have no more business being police than they do being baby daddys to their future criminal children. You have lost your god forsaken mind!
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What I was talking about is how everyone wants more police! The police only destroys lives to a irreplaceable state and some of these people have no choice! So the police are going to arrest them, then they will come home and cant get a job because they have been arrested! So how are more police going to be helpful for someone only trying to survive? What I was talking about was other companies pulling it off! What we need is to stop being scared of these individuals then we could better address their needs! Most people are so scared they have not even thought about after they get out. It only makes them more violent because they know what they are up against! AND ANYONE WHO SAYS THEY HAVE A CHOICE!!!!!! I CHALLENGE YOU TO REVERSE THE ROLLS LETS GET SOME DRUGS AND GUNS AND ENTER THIER DAILY LIFES AND SEE HOW LONG YOU SURVIVE!!!!! THE SAME DIFFERENCE BUT MOST OF YOU WILL ONLY INSULT ME INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT IT REALISTICLY! BECAUSE MOST OF YOU ARE TO SCARED(JUST LOCK THEM UP ALL OF THEM PLEASE IM SCARED)!!!
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Report oakie
You say: "The police only destroys lives to a irreplaceable state and some of these people have no choice! So the police are going to arrest them, then they will come home and cant get a job because they have been arrested!"
Maybe you should consider this: most people, actually, don't commit crimes. It's the decision to commit a crime (particularly violent crimes with guns) that is the problem. Why are you holding the person who CHOOSES to commit a crime innocent and the cop who stops it guilty? Sounds like the kind of BS I've been hearing in Oakland's City Council people like Nadel and Brunner: Give excuses for those who commit crimes and plan the cops as the bad guys. Nadel refuses to call them criminals: she calls them "law challenged individuals." This is what is wrong with Oakland and we need to turn this ship around so we can live our lives in Oakland without the fear of unreasonable levels of crimes.
Most people in Oakland are victims of crime, not criminals. It is the small numbers of criminals that are ruining our lovely city and our current politicians are enabling them. Vote June 3 and throw the bums out!
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My point is we need to put that money in programs not just referral programs! Where are the preventive measures why is jail the only preventive measure? And this thing goes back way before Nadel and Brunner! Address the problem but I see clearly the more police the more people in jail the more work give us our just do! Send some help not just destruction! Lets reverse rolls open challenge?!
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Report oakie
I don't think you realize YOUR point of view is, in fact, policy in Oakland. This is the fourth most dangerous city in the country. It's the victims of crime and those of us who do not commit crimes that are paying the price.
The city spends money on everything BUT what Dellums-Brunner-Nadel claim is their "Top Priority" of Public Safety. We have a $1 Billion per year budget in this city: the city spends $2,500 per resident or $10,000 for a family of 4. That's a huge chunk of change for a typical Oakland family's annual budget. And for that amount, we get 780 cops and Dellums-Brunner-Nadel tells us if we want more cops, we need yet higher taxes. Where's the rest of the taxpayer's money going? "Programs." But not for Public Safety.
You said: "My point is we need to put that money in programs"
....and you're getting it. And to pay for it, we've shrunk out police force, closed the city jail, and closed the crime investigation unit. By the way, Ignacio de la Fuente (President of the city Council) led the effort to close the crime investigation unit at a time when his son was in jail charged with multiple counts of rape. And don't forget Dellums son is in prison for murder.
So I say it's pretty clear the criminals are in charge in Oakland, and our crime statistics prove it.
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Report bluepeas
I agree w/ "The Trouble I See". Most these non profit job training & referral programs are useless! All they care about is making the required quota by recruiting more clients to keep the grant money coming in, and so they can keep their own jobs and get paid. The One Stop and Pic programs keep it real. They give us the job leads and it's up to us to get on it & they provide all the tools we need to work with. The mayor's new re-entry programs to help youths & adults on probation who have lost direction but not hope, secure jobs by reaching out to business owners, appreticeship programs, etc is the best idea I've seen yet. Matter of fact it's not an idea, he's making it happen. I was in one of the offices when a few business owners called requesting to hire clients in the mayor's program but were told they had to go thru a process first. Better yet he's hired a strong motivated group of male outreach workers, youth advocates & mentors to meet w/ our youths and young adults at the jails, prisons and in the most violent neighborhoods in Oakland. With the help of the mayor's team, one kid straight out of Y.A was recruited into the FireFighter Trainee Program before he could hit the streets and he's doing so good that I'm trying to get two kids I know into it, but have to wait till April 09 for the next opening : ( On the 27th I'm taking 3,4 boys to Safeway's job fair & Tony just completed a class and recieved his guard card yesterday, finally.
So like TTIS stated, if ppl jus stop acting like these kids are hopeless maniacs and we all work together, it won't matter if their parents are locked up or on crack, they'll have us as a community and know that we care. Many criminals and thugs come from neighboring cities just to do violent crimes in Oakland, such as Berkeley, Fremont and Hayward. Sadly, all crimes done in Oakland gets blamed on Oakland's youths. Also, as a multi-cultural community, most of us already know why 'gangs' combined w/ 'senseless' murders have suddenly been become a 'continous' major issue amongst youths, and we also know which group of kids prefer doing home invasions(mainly in Alameda). All to say, were dealing w/ several different issues which lead to violent crimes and it's going to take the diverse group in our communities to reach these kids.
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Report oakie
Well, pardon me, I've been in Oakland for 25 years and I've heard this before, again and again.
"The mayor's new re-entry programs to help youths & adults on probation who have lost direction but not hope, secure jobs by reaching out to business owners, appreticeship programs, etc is the best idea I've seen yet. Matter of fact it's not an idea, he's making it happen."
The proof is in the pudding. In our case, crime statistics. When these programs actually DO SOMETHING to make ordinary residents and visitors safer, I'll be happy.
When Brunner-Nadel came into office 12 years ago, New York had a worse crime problem than Oakland at the time. But NY did something about it, and they've reduced their crime rate by 80% in the time that Oakland's has gone up. Now, NY is statistically the safest large city in the country and we are the 4th most dangerous. Brunner-Nadel have not been interested in following NY's lead: they've been shrill supporters of all these kinds of programs you mention, that are "making it happen." Yeah, right. The claim is made, but the crime statistics don't lie.
In the 12 years that Brunner-Nadel have been in office, more than 1,250 human beings have been murdered. Not by the cops, but by people in our city willing to pick up guns and hurt other human beings. IF Brunner-Nadel and the rest of what goes-for-leadership in this city had noticed and learned from NY, about 900 human beings would be alive today. Now THAT would be "making it happpen."
And, by the way, what NY did is not some secret. You can read about what they did. I have, and I can tell you DID NOT do it with the kind of social programs you are talking about. In fact, I know of no example of a city which has come close to an 80% reduction through these social engineering programs.
Think about it: an 80% reduction in crime here, in the time Nadel-Brunner have been in office would have meant 900 fewer murders. Maybe one of your loved ones would have been among them. Now that would be "making it happen."
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Report jif
blupeas, you say you agree with Trouble and then you completely contradict his assertion that there are no real programs available by describing two job programs. Here is my objection, and I imagine the objection of others, to this whining about programs: The programs are there, but the persons seeking the help have to do some work themselves. It seems that Trouble wants us all to stand at the doors of Santa Rita and just grab the first 10 guys we see walking out with a bus pass and give them $20 an hour jobs. That is never going to happen. These guys with criminal histories are going to have to accept that there are certain jobs they will never get, because they can not qualify for the licenses or insurance required to do those jobs. Perhaps that tidbit should be taught in 1st grade in Oakland schools. More importantly, when you do things that violate society's sense of security (rob, beat, steal, kill, sell drugs, etc) the onus is on you to prove to us that you have changed and will not do it again. Some of the ways you can convince us of that change is to not look like, talk like, act like or hang out with others who are still in the game. Yes! Completely abandon everyone you knew, including family, if they are still engaged in criminal behavior! Pretty tough, but that is what adults do when they are making decisions that will keep them in a job and a house! Where you two lose me, and others, is that you want to have it both ways. You want to be in the thick of it, but you want to be viewed like every other legitimate citizen. You want services, but you want others to pay for those services with their hard earned tax dollars. You want a job, but you don't want to start at the bottom and put in the work like everybody else. You want respect, but you don't want to act respectably. Trouble I will not respond to your comment about how any of us would survive the game. That is our point! We don't want to be in the game with drugs in our mouths and guns in our waistbands hidden from the police. That is why these s**tbirds are getting smoked on a daily basis, and we with our boring lives and our humble jobs are not!
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The program I mentioned placed me and about nine other people making $21 an hour! So they do exist does the city recognize it, no and that is the problem! You cant survive in their world so what makes you think they can survive in ours over night?! With-out the professional careers association and Jean Fields, Doris Brown and this big guy named Aaron who came and stood in the belly of the beast with me almost all night to show me another way I may be the topic of this conversation!
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It is a program that the city refuses to fund, I know because every time I go they mention they are not getting paid, not that they are not trying. I said that to say there is no quota and all they are doing is helping! When I say job referral they do job placing also tutoring one on one counseling they even had a anger management instructor hold a class but what makes them a cut above the rest is it does not stop there! They also offer life skills and behavior modification which I needed, if I had just been placed on a job I would not have made it I wasn't ready and 90% of the troubled people not youth but people because all ages are effected by this and that's what I liked about this program! It is like a family setting if you are interested let me know!
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The laws are designed to be broke. I want to say 90+ % of people break a law in a normal day! Spitting on the sidewalk, getting out of your car on the driver side on most streets, its just that you are not the target and we are african american men! They(law enforcement) don't want you so when you break a law you get a pass! Study your law oakie doke before you comment because you break a law!
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Report oakie
What you say is true enough, but does it have any meaning? Surely you see a difference between jaywalking and holding a gun to a stranger's head demanding cash. Everywhere people jaywalk, but only in Oakland and 3 other cities are there 150 murders a year in a population of 400,000. That's a real difference.
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Report The Trouble I See
I'm with you when you are right! It is a big difference but to break a law is to break a law is how we are treated!
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Report oakie
Yes, and it's how we treat different offenses that say a lot!
For example, we are in a city with out of control violent crime. Most people don't even bother reporting crimes (even armed robberies) because we know the city and OPD will do nothing about it.
Yet what are the laws that this city strictly enforce, and efficiently?
Parking meters. Expired tags (even thought this has NOTHING to do with the city and when you DO register, you pay a penalty to DMV). Parking the wrong way in front of your own house in a residential area. Someone else tags your property (they never get punished for tagging-but you do, thousands of dollars, if you don't cover it quick.).
And there you have the city's priorities. And it does speak to how screwed up things are here.
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Report oakie
And underlying your comment is something significant: you are minimizing the crimes that ARE what we talk about being out of control: violent crime. I've watched people like Nadel and Brunner and Dellums make these slights of hand. It's a symptom of a lack of a moral compass, and this city is full of that. And if we want to turn this city around, we should throw those bums out of office.
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AGREE